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re: Opioid maker Purdue Pharma files for bankruptcy

Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:29 am to
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:29 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:34 am to
i swear this is just showing how ignorant people are

i'd imagine the vast majority of people posting "responsibility" memes have been prescribed medicine by doctors

...and they took it :omg:
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:36 am to
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I swear. ZERO accountability for anything these days. If some POS moron uses a gun...it's the gun's fault. If someone gets hooked on drugs...it's an opioid crisis.


You have no clue what you’re talking about here.

Purdue told doctors and patients that OxyContin wasn’t addictive.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:37 am to
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Just say "No"...How hard is that?
wow, genius! Problem solved.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:37 am to
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i'd imagine the vast majority of people posting "responsibility" memes have been prescribed medicine by doctors



They're stuck in the 80s. They'll be breaking out the red ribbons soon.

This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 7:38 am
Posted by Ragnar Danneskjold
North of you
Member since Dec 2015
412 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:37 am to
I go both ways on this. On one side you have a company who had ample evidence their product was being over-prescribed and abused. On the other you have personal responsibility.

Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
59345 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:38 am to
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I swear. ZERO accountability for anything these days. If some POS moron uses a gun...it's the gun's fault. If someone gets hooked on drugs...it's an opioid crisis.



Clearly you have zero understanding of the issues surrounding Purdue
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:39 am to
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On the other you have personal responsibility.



so your argument is people should ignore their doctors?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
105168 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:39 am to
It people were taking it as prescribed by a doctor and got addicted, I have sympathy.

If they went the Jack Osborne route and were crushing the pills to get a heroin high, not so much.
Posted by wasteland
City of peace
Member since Apr 2011
5923 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:39 am to
Very true. Ignorant folks try to group all addicts and behaviors together. How is the 70 year old grandmother with osteo to blame when she followed docs orders?
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
59345 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:40 am to
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On the other you have personal responsibility.



What about when a prescription company lies to doctors and markets a highly addictive drug as non habit forming. They encouraged doctors to write scripts for it because the chances of it being misused or overdosing are "rare"
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
45842 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:44 am to
Don't understand how the DEA never catches any shite in any of these lawsuits - they manage the controlled substance quota on API you can have in a year.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
78006 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:44 am to
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They lobbied congress to enact laws that forced health care providers to consider pain management as part of their service and physician ratings (which are tied to reimbursement and compensation).

The patient is always right.

frick Press Ganey.
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Based in South Bend, Ind., Press Ganey is the nation’s leading provider of patient satisfaction surveys, the Yelp equivalent for hospitals and doctors, and a central component of health care reform. Over the past decade the government has fully embraced the “patient is always right” model–these surveys focus on areas like waiting times, pain management and communication skills–betting that increased customer satisfaction will improve the quality of care and reduce costs. There’s some evidence they have. An ObamaCare initiative adds extra teeth, to the tune of $850 million, reducing Medicare reimbursement fees for hospitals with less-than-stellar scores.

LINK

Hospitals and physicians had their livelihoods tied to these satisfaction scores, one element of which was pain management.

Doctors are a factor that is at fault, to a degree, but what the hell did they expect when they tied that to pay?

Oh, and it is bad for you.
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The current system might just kill you. Many doctors, in order to get high ratings (and a higher salary), overprescribe and overtest, just to “satisfy” patients, who probably aren’t qualified to judge their care. And there’s a financial cost, as flawed survey methods and the decisions they induce, produce billions more in waste. It’s a case of good intentions gone badly awry–and it’s only getting worse.
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 7:47 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:47 am to
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Don't understand how the DEA never catches any shite in any of these lawsuits

sovereign immunity

also these are suits by states, and they're not going to sue their government cousins
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:50 am to
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Many doctors, in order to get high ratings (and a higher salary), overprescribe and overtest, just to “satisfy” patients


Kind of like prescribing antibiotics for a virus just to make the patient feel better about themselves.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
78006 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:53 am to
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Kind of like prescribing antibiotics for a virus just to make the patient feel better about themselves.
Absolutely.

If you don’t satisfy patients and their families, they leave and go somewhere else, often to a quick care center or an NP run clinic, who will give the patient what they want.

Luckily, Scruffy neither works in private practice or in a clinic.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:54 am to
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Just say "No"...How hard is that?



When your own doctor tells you to take it for debilitating pain while the company itself says it's not addictive?
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:57 am to
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So the Sacklers will walk with billions and be set for generations


Yep, they're rich enough to all be part of the protected class.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:58 am to
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Have the doctors avoided all liability on this?


By running for Congress...
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83918 posts
Posted on 9/16/19 at 7:59 am to
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Just say "No"...How hard is that?
this might be one of the dumbest replies to any thread that i've ever read
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