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re: Only a few cities could actually accommodate Amazon's second HQ

Posted on 9/8/17 at 12:56 pm to
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 12:56 pm to
DFW has plenty of room to grow though.

I cannot see Austin getting it, that town cannot handle too much more for some reason. It has always been a traffic disaster.

Posted by tes fou
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:01 pm to


I think this will make it a little easier to understand for those who are confused...
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:02 pm to
Stop saying Louisiana. It's not going there at all
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:23 pm to
First. It isn't coming to Bham. Second. "Western" also includes Lakeshore, which snags Ross Bridge and Western Homewood. That would be ideal for their demographics.
Posted by MaHittaMaHitta
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:47 pm to
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How is the Phoenix metro area not on the list? It seems like it would be absolutely perfect.

Look at a map. Does it look like a good location to connect the east coast to their west coast HQ?
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:53 pm to
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The map doesnt show what states give big corporations as far as incentives.

For instance Georgia gives $5800 per employee per year in tax credits if they were to move there. thats 290 million a year for 50k employees. Some states will even wave the corporate income tax in order to get the jobs
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:55 pm to
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Once you've winnowed the list to large metropolitan areas with robust international airports, other considerations come into play. Amazon says "a highly educated labor force is critical and a strong university system is required." Would that take cities like Dallas and Charlotte out of consideration, or would being a couple hours from highly respected universities be good enough?


Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:55 pm to
It'll come to Texas. Book it.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 2:07 pm to
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The bigger issue is the incentives to move there and EVERY city will give it to them so the whole, they're going to move to TX or TN because of a business friendly environment is pretty moot. Try that for some small company suckers. No one is moving to fricking Nashville


Lol you couldn't be more wrong Nashville has too many people moving in.
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
2671 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 2:21 pm to
This is from the actual RFP, core preferences:

Proximity to population center -- 30 Miles

Proximity to International -- airport Within approx. 45 Minutes

Proximity to major highways and arterial roads -- Not more than 1-2 Miles -- Close to major arterial roads to provide optimal access

Access to mass transit -- At site -- Direct access to rail, train, subway/metro, bus routes


These 4 categories will be 90% of the decision. Having the political will and public support to fund long-term transit improvements will be the major decision point for most cities.
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 2:22 pm to
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I think this will make it a little easier to understand for those who are confused...



Wherever they go will give them massive tax benefits and incentives. In the end, they'll basically be paying nothing.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35371 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 2:39 pm to
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As someone posted, it is the state and city government that can sweeten the deal for Amazon (taxes, cost of land, etc). The Kentucky governor has for some time been in discussions with Amazon about the new facility.
Between Columbus metro (2 fulfillment centers; 3 data centers; Amazon instant pickup store) and Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky Metro (Air Prime hub; 4 fulfillment centers), Amazon has invested billions in each of these nearby metros.

And by my quick look, in the list of 2016 Fortune 1000 companies, Columbus metro had 15 companies and Cincinnati Metro had 13. And the 2017 Forbes Global 2000 includes 13 (8 in Cincinnati; 5 in Columbus).

So I've been championing Columbus, but I think between Columbus and Cincinnati, there is better odds than he may expect by their names alone.
Posted by Maniac979
The Great State of Texas
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 2:39 pm to
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18774 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

It'll come to Texas.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35371 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:21 pm to
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CNBC Analysis
I don't understand some of their metrics. For example, Las Vegas is ranked 11th for job growth. While I the employment did grow by 2.8% from July 2016 to July 2017, it's unemployment rate was still well above the national average at 5.4% down from 6.0% the year before, but up from 5.1% the month before.

So basically Las Vegas should experience job growth at a greater rate since it was it's labor force wasn't doing very well in the first place, especially since it's labor force grew 1.33% anyways.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 3:23 pm
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:50 pm to
Don't forget that Amazon is a cult of personality/dictatorship run by an obscenely wealthy oligarch whose personal whims exert huge influence over its decisions.

Although Jeff Bezos was born in ABQ, he spent his childhood in Houston before moving to Florida in high school. His dad worked for Exxon. Bezos' family were among the original settlers of Texas. His grandfather inherited a 25,000 acre cattle ranch in south Texas and Bezos spent every summer working on it and loved the place. Bezos himself owns a 165,000 acre ranch in Texas which he intends serve as a future spaceport.

This is him on his grandfather's ranch:


Read between the lines here... if there's a place other than Seattle that Jeff Bezos calls home, it's Texas.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 3:51 pm
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 4:07 pm to
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There was actually an article in the Advocate trying to tell us what Louisiana has to do to get Amazon to come here.

I mean I knew the Advocate was proficient in fiction....but they delved into a true fantasy land to suggest that there is anything Louisiana can do to get Amazon to come here


What do you mean? All North Baton Rouge needs are jobs, street lights that work and removal of abandoned cars. SWB said as much just the other day.





/sarcasm
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 4:30 pm to
They should put it north of ft worth.

Can get a lot closer to city center than north side of Dallas

Alliance area already has every type of transportation right there

They have a good sized presence here already

Would make housing even more insane but still not Seattle insane
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35371 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 4:41 pm to
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The map doesnt show what states give big corporations as far as incentives.
On a related note, this month old article seems more interesting in hindsight:

Is Amazon Secret Company Behind $37M in Ohio Tax Breaks?

Although since it mentions $750 million tech investment, I think this is actually referring to Facebook which later announced a $750 million tech investment at the location.

But maybe Amazon is involved too:
quote:

Amazon wouldn’t respond to requests for comment about the project or whether the name hints at a new center by its existing location. However, county records show a holding company affiliated with the developer of the business park purchased properties that make up the 345-acre site proposed for the data center. That same holding company sold Vadata its 64-acre lot for nearly $13 million.

But previous Amazon projects, with state subsidies estimated over $80 million, were more overt. The state approved incentives using Vadata’s name in 2014, eschewing a pseudonym for Amazon’s Web Services company.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44689 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 5:33 pm to
It is not coming to Ohio. The only reason Ohio was a thing is because the south couldn't get our shite together. That's changed. Geography wins here. Amazon wants a sea port.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 5:36 pm
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