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re: Only a few cities could actually accommodate Amazon's second HQ
Posted on 9/9/17 at 8:41 am to ItNeverRains
Posted on 9/9/17 at 8:41 am to ItNeverRains
North of Austin all the way.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 8:53 am to LordSnow
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North of Austin all the way.
The State owns two large properties right in the middle of the city they have publicly stated they want to repurpose soon. The Austin State Hospital (the old lunatic asylum) and the Austin State Assisted Living Facility. They'd give Amazon either or both. Outside of Camp Mabry (the HQ of the Texas Guard), those are the most valuable tracts of land in the state not currently used for commercial, residential, or industrial purposes.
This post was edited on 9/9/17 at 8:57 am
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:00 am to LordSnow
If I am Amazon it would be Dallas or Nashville or Boston.
Atlanta's airport is big and busy but it is sort of an hinderance IMHO because it is so busy. Atlanta needs another airport to catch up with Dallas, Houston and Northeastern major cities. There just is no way to get in and out of Jackson Hartsfield quickly. I would not want my employees spending hours and hours parking and getting through the airport and waiting for delayed flights. A thunderstorm over ATL means hours of delays for thousands of people--more so than any other airport simply because of the number of flights coming and going. A second airport in Cobb county would help tremendously.
The other thing that factors in these deals that many people overlook is the taxes on the management's salary. A guy making several hundred thousand dollars year can't help but think of what a location will cost him personally. A Texas or Tennessee location would save him tens of thousands of dollars a year in personal income tax.
Boston has high taxes but it would be a great place to recruit and has good infrastructure.
Nashville has no personal income taxes, a good airport that has all the major airlines--they would simply add international flights as demand increases. The airport is not so large that hours are spent navigating the terminal.
Dallas is a world class city. The addition of Amazon would hardly tax the resources already in place in the metroplex.
Atlanta's airport is big and busy but it is sort of an hinderance IMHO because it is so busy. Atlanta needs another airport to catch up with Dallas, Houston and Northeastern major cities. There just is no way to get in and out of Jackson Hartsfield quickly. I would not want my employees spending hours and hours parking and getting through the airport and waiting for delayed flights. A thunderstorm over ATL means hours of delays for thousands of people--more so than any other airport simply because of the number of flights coming and going. A second airport in Cobb county would help tremendously.
The other thing that factors in these deals that many people overlook is the taxes on the management's salary. A guy making several hundred thousand dollars year can't help but think of what a location will cost him personally. A Texas or Tennessee location would save him tens of thousands of dollars a year in personal income tax.
Boston has high taxes but it would be a great place to recruit and has good infrastructure.
Nashville has no personal income taxes, a good airport that has all the major airlines--they would simply add international flights as demand increases. The airport is not so large that hours are spent navigating the terminal.
Dallas is a world class city. The addition of Amazon would hardly tax the resources already in place in the metroplex.
This post was edited on 9/9/17 at 9:29 am
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:05 am to I B Freeman
Detroit is the dark horse. Boston is too similar to Seattle and tax high state. Nashville probably best bet
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:15 am to I B Freeman
Doubt it would be Dallas. Austin, maybe, but Dallas probably not. Decision makers high up in Amazon care more about liberal politics than sound business. So long as the impact isn't that bad to the bottom line they would rather hitch their wagon to a "progressive" city. They'll find a way to make the math show them it's the right decision when in reality they're just jerking themselves off.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:15 am to jbgleason
I could see a partnership with FedEx and a Memphis HQ. Solely due to distribution.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:19 am to RedRifle
If Boston got it, I would literally move up there tomorrow.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:55 am to Jcorye1
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If Boston got it, I would literally move up there tomorrow
Can't see the allure with that density and that weather 1/3 of the year.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 10:08 am to ItNeverRains
Yeah it really sucks having mild summers and beautiful cool fall weather for football.
And it's honestly not that large of a city compared to the New Yorks of the world, plenty of burbs to move to if you don't like density.
Come on up, baw!
And it's honestly not that large of a city compared to the New Yorks of the world, plenty of burbs to move to if you don't like density.
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If Boston got it, I would literally move up there tomorrow
Come on up, baw!
This post was edited on 9/9/17 at 10:22 am
Posted on 9/9/17 at 11:27 am to AbitaFan08
Here's my guesses of metros somewhat in order:
Dallas
Atlanta
DC
Nashville
Raleigh
Austin
Boston
Denver
Houston
I'm not sure how anyone else can compete.
I'm basing this on diversity of location compared to current HQ, proximity to current or potential new AWS regions, internet backbones, universities to feed from, current populations, and of course taxes, and likelihood that governments will give subsidies.
Dallas
Atlanta
DC
Nashville
Raleigh
Austin
Boston
Denver
Houston
I'm not sure how anyone else can compete.
I'm basing this on diversity of location compared to current HQ, proximity to current or potential new AWS regions, internet backbones, universities to feed from, current populations, and of course taxes, and likelihood that governments will give subsidies.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 11:59 am to Fat Harry
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I could see a partnership with FedEx and a Memphis HQ. Solely due to distribution.
For the 1,000th time, it's not a distribution center! It's offices.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 12:00 pm to BeepNode
quote:You're not sure how cities like Charlotte, Columbus, Cincinnati, Phoenix, Indianapolis, etc. couldn't compete?
I'm not sure how anyone else can compete.
I mean Raleigh may not even be the best option in its own state (Charlotte) so you need to think a little harder.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 12:02 pm to jb4
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Boston is too similar to Seattle
That's exactly what they want!!!
The only reason they're doing this is because they've tapped-out Seattle for every inch of office space and possible workforce. If Seattle was twice as big they wouldn't be looking for a second headquarters.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 12:03 pm to Cooter Davenport
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Boston is too similar to Seattle
Actually as far as eastern cities, Pittsburgh is probsboy most similar to how Seattle was before the tech industry caused explosive growth there.
This post was edited on 9/9/17 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 9/9/17 at 12:04 pm to buckeye_vol
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I mean Raleigh may not even be the best option in its own state (Charlotte) so you need to think a little harder.
Raleigh is in the middle of a university research megacluster. It's also more attractive to granola type tech people. It's already a tech startup hotspot. It's definitely the better option.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 12:05 pm to member12
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Actually I think Pittsburgh is most similar to Seattle
Demographically and culturally? We're not talking about topography.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 12:06 pm to RedRifle
I'm sure they will end up in DFW area like all the others.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 12:09 pm to I B Freeman
Amazon already has a zillion terabytes of cloud storage, processing, and bandwidth in "data center alley" in Ashburn VA (DC suburb) at the MAE east cloud exchange. Makes no sense for them to relocate there, they already are there.
Dallas and Atlanta both make sense.
Not taking anything away from Dallas, but Atlanta is the better hub for global fiber networks, real estate is cheaper, Google already has a few million square feet for a reason here, if I were a betting man it would be Atlanta.
Dallas is a close second.
Dallas and Atlanta both make sense.
Not taking anything away from Dallas, but Atlanta is the better hub for global fiber networks, real estate is cheaper, Google already has a few million square feet for a reason here, if I were a betting man it would be Atlanta.
Dallas is a close second.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 12:09 pm to buckeye_vol
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Columbus, Cincinnati, Phoenix, Indianapolis, etc.
You are smoking crack if you think Amazon is going to spend $5,000,000,000 and employ 50,000 people in a second or third rate rust belt city like Columbus, Cincinnati or Indianapolis. Completely delusional.
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