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Only a few cities could actually accommodate Amazon's second HQ

Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:09 am
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:09 am
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The scale of Amazon.com Inc.'s undertaking -- over time, needing up to 8 million square feet of office space and 50,000 well-paid employees -- is unlike anything seen in recent memory. The only thing comparable would be cities bidding for the Summer Olympics. Amazon's Request for Proposal narrows the list significantly in terms of the number of cities realistically able to bid for such a project. First, the labor force needs for the headquarters dramatically shrink the number of metro areas able to bid. Amazon says it's considering metro areas of a million or more, but realistically to provide 50,000 employees a metro area is going to need to be significantly larger than that.

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Consider a place like Pittsburgh. Its metro area is 2.35 million people, and its labor force is 1.2 million. But the size of its labor force hasn't grown in 25 years. Even with the talent its well-respected universities produce … is Amazon, a company that thinks of growth in terms of decades, going to locate a headquarters in a place where it might have to hire over 4 percent of the metro area's labor force with uncertainty over whether that labor force will ever grow? The next factor that will reduce the list of possibilities is the need for a suitable international airport. It's hard to say what exactly constitutes an international airport -- you can fly from Hartford, Connecticut, to Canada -- but as with everything Amazon does, higher volumes or higher capacity will probably be seen as more favorable. The list of most-trafficked international airports is full of the usual suspects -- large coastal cities and major airline hubs. One additional factor to consider is that the airlines with the highest market share in Amazon's hometown of Seattle are Alaska Airlines, which serves primarily West Coast destinations, and Delta Air Lines, which is based in Atlanta.

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Once you've winnowed the list to large metropolitan areas with robust international airports, other considerations come into play. Amazon says "a highly educated labor force is critical and a strong university system is required." Would that take cities like Dallas and Charlotte out of consideration, or would being a couple hours from highly respected universities be good enough? Costs are stated as an important factor as well. It's "easy" to identify large metro areas with robust airports and deep, educated talent pools, but those tend to be tremendously expensive. Being in Seattle, Amazon surely sees how much being based in Seattle, which is cheaper than the San Francisco Bay Area, helps with recruiting. It might make sense for an expansion of five thousand employees, but will Amazon really try to hire 50,000 employees in a metro like Vancouver, San Francisco, Toronto, Boston, New York or Washington -- an area that's already expensive? Tax incentives play a role too. To some extent this is a question of "who wants it the most." For all other considerations, Chicago would be an attractive destination. But the city and state are broke. Are Chicago and Illinois willing to offer billions of dollars in tax incentives, trying to compete with younger, "hungrier" Sun Belt metros? And Chicago's another metro area with no clear prospects for labor force growth, even if its existing talent base is large and deep.



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By my tally, the options are: Toronto, Boston, Washington DC, Atlanta, Dallas or Denver.
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
26518 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:11 am to
Talked to a tech recruiter at an event at Fenway Park last night. She was pretty optimistic about Boston being on the short list to land Amazon.

Would be a huge get, along with landing GE this past year.

I also learned that Amazon already has offices in Cambridge, which I honestly had no clue existed.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 9:14 am
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37559 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:11 am to
Dallas is the answer with Denver being a strong candidate
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14385 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:13 am to
Alten nachrichten.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79032 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:13 am to
The case for Atlanta is pretty strong, I think. We'll see what happens.
Posted by CypressTrout10
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2016
3009 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:13 am to
I would have to agree Dallas seems like the best option
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
29276 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:13 am to
There was actually an article in the Advocate trying to tell us what Louisiana has to do to get Amazon to come here.

I mean I knew the Advocate was proficient in fiction....but they delved into a true fantasy land to suggest that there is anything Louisiana can do to get Amazon to come here
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
71968 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:13 am to
Nuh uh!

Scruffy heard NOLA was a front runner.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101914 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:14 am to
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First, the labor force needs for the headquarters dramatically shrink the number of metro areas able to bid. Amazon says it's considering metro areas of a million or more, but realistically to provide 50,000 employees a metro area is going to need to be significantly larger than that.


I think that's making an incorrect assumption that all 50K employees need to be come from the metro area's existing labor force.

Amazon will be sending many (probably thousands) of their current employees to get it started, and it's going to draw talent from all over the country.
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
29902 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:14 am to
I think that "50,000 employees" number is bullshite.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 9:32 am
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:14 am to
Dallas, Phoenix, and Jacksonville FL come to mind.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32060 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:14 am to
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with uncertainty over whether that labor force will ever grow?


50,000 specialized jobs are going to require people moving around regardless of what city Amazon locates.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32060 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:15 am to
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If think that "50,000" employees number is bullshite


It is to some degree. I do think this will result in tens of thousands of jobs and have a significant impact on the housing market and infrastructure wherever they choose to locate.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 9:16 am
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171024 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:15 am to
Lol at the people who actually thought Louisiana could support it

Dallas will probably get it, the housing market will be even worse for buyers, and I'll have to gtfo
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 9:17 am
Posted by AnonymousTiger
Franklin, TN
Member since Jan 2012
4863 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:15 am to
Nashville meets all of the criteria the author lays out. Austin probably does as well.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
29276 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:16 am to
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Dallas is the answer


Texas is usually a pretty good bet for business friendly govt.

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Denver being a strong candidate


I see the appeal but I'd be careful here

I'd wonder why they wouldn't consider somewhere like Nashville as well, but I agree if I had to pick a pole sitter it would be Dallas probably.
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
8613 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:16 am to
They're putting it in Jazzland to keep up with the "employees need to have fun" theme.
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8328 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:17 am to
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Nashville meets all of the criteria the author lays out. Austin probably does as well.


Did you actually READ the article? Nashville? Hell no.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20370 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:17 am to
That's absurdly wrong. First off, its not like all 50,000 will start right away. It will be a couple of thousand the first year and grow from there. You don't get to a number like 50k until year like 10.

Secondly, a large chunk of the first group will be current Amazon employees moving in from elsewhere. Again not affecting the current market.

Lastly, tons of their employees will be coming from all over no matter the location. So the idea that the location has to provide anywhere close to all of those employees is simply not even close to being right.

I disagree with it being anywhere west of the Mississippi, logistically that wouldn't make sense for a 2nd location given Seattle as their home. Atlanta makes the most sense geographically, but somewhere on the east coast, Nashville, Charlotte, etc. would also.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 9:18 am
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
18889 posts
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:17 am to
I said Denver in the original thread and will say it again.

Lots of labor, lots of land, friendly local and state gov and legal MJ. Recreational ops of interest to their work force and lots of west coasters already living there.

I am the biggest cheerleader on here for LA but we better not waste a bunch of money chasing this. We don't stand a chance.
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