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Posted on 5/13/22 at 11:21 pm to lostinbr
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I believe my Denon receiver was built in Vietnam
For a while Denon has made its top two AVRs in Japan and the rest in Vietnam. Currently, that is the 6700 and 8500 so the $3100 and $4600 price points.
The Vietnam-made AVRs have proven to be solid and especially once you get over $1000 Denon offers a lot of bang for the buck.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 9:44 am to Obtuse1
A lot of their higher end receivers are being made in Japan again.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 10:50 am to jlovel7
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how are they doomed by streaming?
Don't see this either as I just purchased a $1,400 Onkyo RZ50 receiver in December and stream things regularly through the 9.2 channels it powers as well as Airplay music off my iPhone.
Not sure what's changed as far as the bankruptcy as they were just purchased last fall by Premium Audio and Sharp??
Onkyo, Pioneer, Integra acquired
Posted on 5/14/22 at 2:13 pm to efrad
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The mainstream market seems to have moved on from A/V receivers and home-theater-in-a-box systems towards soundbars and smart/wireless speakers.
Which is unfortunate because most flat screen tvs are more thin than ever and have worse sound. A sound bar never has quite done it for me
Posted on 5/14/22 at 2:52 pm to Tempratt
Damnit! Essentially the only receivers I have ever owned. I have two currently. Hope they last a long time..
Posted on 5/14/22 at 3:35 pm to Tempratt
No one gives a shite about hifi. We're all about bluetooth speakers, air pods, and TV sound bars.
Makes me sad. I had a rack of JVC components with about a billion LED lights on it. Separate CD, record player, receiver, cassette decks..
I still have my home theater system going through a 5.1 receiver...so there's still that. But even that's kinda going away, with Harmony giving up on remotes now that everyone basically just does the sound bar.
The irony of now going into Best Buy and not being able to buy a CD...but they have a lot of vinyl to choose from.
Makes me sad. I had a rack of JVC components with about a billion LED lights on it. Separate CD, record player, receiver, cassette decks..
I still have my home theater system going through a 5.1 receiver...so there's still that. But even that's kinda going away, with Harmony giving up on remotes now that everyone basically just does the sound bar.
The irony of now going into Best Buy and not being able to buy a CD...but they have a lot of vinyl to choose from.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 9:48 am to Polycarp
Again, I don't see why this would since as I posted earlier, they were acquired just last fall by Premium Audio and Sharp which has deep pockets. Perhaps this is part of the restructuring deal? I haven't seen anything else on the hi-fi audio forums. Also, if vinyl records can still be around, I don't see hi-fi components ever being obsolete as there will always be a demand by some for quality.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 9:49 am to Tempratt
As one very familiar with electronics distribution. They still sell a ton of their products.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 9:57 am to efrad
share price is down over 30 percent ytd for pioneer
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 9:58 am
Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:04 am to jlovel7
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ETA: how are they doomed by streaming?
The answer was implicit.
Streaming alone isn't hurting them, streaming to smartphones and tablets and listening via Airpods is killing them.
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No one gives a shite about hifi. We're all about bluetooth speakers, air pods, and TV sound bars.
And bingo. Even for home systems now, soundbars and a sub have come along way. And for the price of just an Onkyo receiver, you can buy a very functional soundbar with a plethora of input options.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 10:06 am
Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:07 am to Tempratt
I was stationed inJapan in the 80s and it was Onkyo and Klipsch.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 1:03 pm to Grievous Angel
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No one gives a shite about hifi.
I do. I still love a good old school two channel setup.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 1:37 pm to Cajun75
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Also, if vinyl records can still be around, I don't see hi-fi components ever being obsolete as there will always be a demand by some for quality.
I don't know if vinyl purchases necessarily translates to enough consumer demand for quality though. A lot of people seem to do it for the collectability. Personally, because of convenience I mostly listen to music on Spotify at AAC/256k, or stream lossless FLAC from Plexamp, or multichannel/hi-res with Kodi. When I really like an album and decide to buy it, I buy it on vinyl because I want a physical object for my money, I enjoy the large art format, and it feels like the most universally collectable, always "timeless" format (then I get a download copy and throw it on Plex, I'll never have to buy my old favorites in a new format ever again). I only actually have a $100 basic turntable and barely ever spin up the vinyl though.
My wife also likes picking up a lot of vintage vinyl for super cheap at garage sales, antique stores, etc. because it's fun to throw on an old Brenda Lee record sometimes, but those records usually have a lot of imperfections and aren't worth trying to get sounding good.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 2:05 pm to jlovel7
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ETA: how are they doomed by streaming?
Because Younger Millenials and Zoomers don't own stereos. They just stream everything off of their iPhone.
I was describing a full stereo set of my youth to my teenaged son... two huge tower speakers, a receiver, turntable, cassette deck, and amp... and he thought that was just the strangest thing he'd ever heard. I may as well have been describing a steam engine to him. He's grown up in a world where phones have always had everything you ever wanted, entertainment-wise, on demand.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 2:15 pm to Bronsonburner
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I still love a good old school two channel setup
Same here and there is still plenty of good stuff out there.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 2:19 pm to Pitt Road
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Same here and there is still plenty of good stuff out there.
There is better stuff (and much more of it) today than any time in the past. 2 ch mid-fi is taking somewhat of a beating but hi-fi continues to go, since by and large only the older generations can afford it.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:02 pm to Pitt Road
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Same here and there is still plenty of good stuff out there.
Love hearing 4k movies w/Atmos through my Onkyo powered 9.2 setup with an SVS PB-2000 subwoofer. Try getting that sound quality through your iPhone, millennials!!
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:38 am to Tempratt
Love my Onkyo receiver circa 2012. Thing weighs 40+ lbs and with the right speaker setup, the sound is superb. That said, you don’t see many good AV setups anymore unless someone has a dedicated media room. For music, because of the convenience factor, Bluetooth and steaming is pretty much standard even though it sounds like arse. And if your source sounds like crap there isn’t much point in running it into a $5k sound system. A couple hundred buck soundbar with a sub gets the job done. Hell, I tend to listen to a Bose wave radio in my office and a $100 portable BT speaker in the garage more than my big system because those are the places I spend the most time when listening to music. I can’t remember the last time I watched a Blu-ray movie in surround at full volume. The days of 500lbs of speakers taking up space in the house are over for most people. Sadly, the younger generations won’t know what good sound sounds like.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 1:43 am
Posted on 5/16/22 at 5:10 am to Macintosh504
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I think it’s mainly dumb millennials thinking soundbars are actually good
Glad someone said it. I have a very basic Sony surround system with a sub and it sounds 100x better than all but the super high end sound bars that’s I would never buy anyway. I can understand the minimalist approach to a sound bar but the performance does not even approach a receiver system.
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