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re: One thing we can all agree on
Posted on 6/7/20 at 11:54 am to Klark Kent
Posted on 6/7/20 at 11:54 am to Klark Kent
I'm going out on a limb here, gonna make some waves.....
The duty of police to properly and appropriately exercise their substantial authority and power over the citizen outweighs the duty of the citizen to properly comply with the orders of police.
Police are just held to a higher standard considering the power and authority that they're granted by society.
The duty of police to properly and appropriately exercise their substantial authority and power over the citizen outweighs the duty of the citizen to properly comply with the orders of police.
Police are just held to a higher standard considering the power and authority that they're granted by society.
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Posted on 6/7/20 at 11:54 am to davyjones
Well said.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 11:55 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:
no-knock warrant
Needs to be done away with completely. Too many mistakes have already been made.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 11:55 am to BluegrassBelle
Nobody ever said “ it will all be ok”. With 300 million people and hundred of thousands of police contacts there will ALWAYS be mistakes or worse. Because we are HUMANS doing human stuff. Not angels doing angel stuff.That includes cops and alleged perps.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 11:56 am to davyjones
Why is this post directed at me?
Posted on 6/7/20 at 11:56 am to High C
quote:
Needs to be done away with completely. Too many mistakes have already been made.
The Mayor has temporarily suspended them here but I foresee them being outlawed after what happened. 100% on board with the demand to get rid of them.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 11:56 am to Celery
quote:
No, I’m not hunting down links to posts. Just look at the third post on this thread for an example.
Are we talking about the third post, or the third reply? It matters to me.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 11:57 am to Lsupimp
quote:
our law enforcement needs to demonstrate that they value human life during and after the arrest.
How did that work out for Glenn Hutto?
Or Brad Garafola, Matthew Gerald & Montrell Jackson?
Or Terry Melancon?
Posted on 6/7/20 at 11:58 am to Klark Kent
I think I may have just replied to last post at the time. Nothing malicious.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 11:59 am to Lsupimp
quote:
Nobody ever said “ it will all be ok”. With 300 million people and hundred of thousands of police contacts there will ALWAYS be mistakes or worse. Because we are HUMANS doing human stuff. Not angels doing angel stuff.That includes cops and alleged perps.
Yet, when the alleged perp makes a mistake they (in most cases) are taken before a judge (or jury depending on the crime) and the law is applied. As well as due process.
Are you OK with teachers making "the mistake" of hitting a child in anger? Perhaps breaking a student's leg or arm when restraining them? Because I've seen teachers fired, lose their license, be criminally charged, and sued in those cases.
The reality is, police have a ridiculous amount of protection when they make "mistakes" even those that result in the loss of life. There's a real accountability issue there given the power that they wield that you rarely see in any other profession that deals with the public.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 12:01 pm to LSUJML
quote:
How did that work out for Glenn Hutto?
Or Brad Garafola, Matthew Gerald & Montrell Jackson?
Or Terry Melancon?
Heroes.
Slain in the name of #justice, but that counterpoint is off the table in this “discussion”
Posted on 6/7/20 at 12:02 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Due process should be allowed to play out
4 cops we're arrested and people are still screaming for justice.
The average American is too stupid to understand due process. Particularly in mob situations
Posted on 6/7/20 at 12:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
4 cops we're arrested and people are still screaming for justice.
The average American is too stupid to understand due process. Particularly in mob situations
No one has been arrested, charged, or fired here in the Breonna Taylor case because the previous contact does not allow them to be fired during an open investigation (that's been going on for almost three months now).
Which brings me to my point about protections for the police unlike many other professions that work with the public.
This post was edited on 6/7/20 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 6/7/20 at 12:03 pm to Lsupimp
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We don’t want cops inflicting street justice for a thousand different reasons. Without respect for the rights of ALL people , we risk losing those rights for all people.
and trump encourages steeet justice.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 12:04 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
Are you OK with teachers making "the mistake" of hitting a child in anger? Perhaps breaking a student's leg or arm when restraining them? Because I've seen teachers fired, lose their license, be criminally charged, and sued in those cases.
I’m not arguing your underlying sentiment of greater accountability from law enforcement. BUT
to be fair - the life and death circumstances police often face in their profession is not comparable to dealing with misbehaving children.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 12:04 pm to Lsupimp
You don’t think the numbers reflect that?
There are like 30-50 total unarmed people that a killed by cops a year. If we dig down into those numbers more than half are fighting the cops, not resisting, I’m talking about fighting them in a life or death situation. Read the police reports.
But let’s be generous and say 25 are truly not shooting at or fighting with police.
25/330,000,000
That’s a 0.000000008% risk of dying if you aren’t armed, shooting at, or fighting the cops.
We are talking about people generally with a high school to sometimes college education making 40k A year carry around guns trying to apprehend people.
You think 0.000000008% is too high? Please tell us what an acceptable level of risk is.
There are like 30-50 total unarmed people that a killed by cops a year. If we dig down into those numbers more than half are fighting the cops, not resisting, I’m talking about fighting them in a life or death situation. Read the police reports.
But let’s be generous and say 25 are truly not shooting at or fighting with police.
25/330,000,000
That’s a 0.000000008% risk of dying if you aren’t armed, shooting at, or fighting the cops.
We are talking about people generally with a high school to sometimes college education making 40k A year carry around guns trying to apprehend people.
You think 0.000000008% is too high? Please tell us what an acceptable level of risk is.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 12:07 pm to Tempratt
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So if someone kills your child, you're concerned with how the criminal is treated. You need professional help.
First, depends on which kid.
Second, I am not talking about the highly passionate family of a victim that might want instant revenge, I am talking about those who are hired to DISSPASIONATLETLY enforce the law who we do not allow to seek revenge on our behalf. Depending on your IQ you will either understand that or you won't. quote:
You need professional help.
True. I need the assistance of both a professional dry cleaner and barber at this exact moment.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 12:07 pm to WaWaWeeWa
By the way we average 43 lightning strike deaths a year. Are lightning strikes a problem? Is the risk of lightning strikes too high?
Posted on 6/7/20 at 12:07 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
No one has been arrested, charged, or fired here in the Breonna Taylor case because the previous contact does not allow them to be fired during an open investigation (that's been going on for almost three months now).
It took 8 months to arrest Mohammad Noor.
You cannot rush jtustice because a violent mob says so.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 12:11 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
Please tell us what an acceptable level of risk is.
you propose two dozen people killed who are unarmed and not resisting arrest.
correct number to kill is zero.
you can ensure that by making the consequence castration by any relative who so chooses, using tools at hand.
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