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re: On this day in 1866, Ulysses S. Grant became the first 4-star general in U.S. Army history
Posted on 7/25/20 at 12:45 pm to AUsteriskPride
Posted on 7/25/20 at 12:45 pm to AUsteriskPride
Lee was an idiot. He had a huge advantage from a military POV and couldn't leverage it. Thankfully.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 12:46 pm to AUCE05
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Lee was an idiot. He had a huge advantage from a military POV and couldn't leverage it. Thankfully
Do tell about his huge advantages, very curious.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 12:52 pm to AUsteriskPride
Winning meant different things to each side. The north wanted to maintain the union where the south was wanting to separate. That meant the north had to invade. The general consensus amongst the northern population was to not fight. Had Lee utilized trench warfare like many of his advisors were suggesting, they could have prolonged the war a few more years and made Lincoln pull out. The invasions on NY, and offensive strategy on open battle fields from Lee was terrible.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 12:57 pm to RollTide1987
US Grant, the man who changed the Confederate flag from stars and bars to all white.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 1:10 pm to AUsteriskPride
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he was the commanding general of the Confederacy the entire time.
No, he wasn't. He didn't take command of the Army of Northern Virginia until June 1, 1862 and wasn't named General-in-Chief of all Confederate forces until February 6, 1865.
This post was edited on 7/25/20 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 7/25/20 at 1:13 pm to AUCE05
Thank you.
The hero worship of lee is mind boggling to me.
Dude was an idiot.
The hero worship of lee is mind boggling to me.
Dude was an idiot.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 1:21 pm to Tiguar
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Dude was an idiot.
I wouldn't go that far. In fact...I wouldn't go near that far. I have criticized Robert E. Lee for his lack of big picture thinking, but the man certainly wasn't an idiot. He was schooled in the ways of Napoleonic warfare and that schooling taught him that the advantage lay with the force that attacks first. Every general officer in the Civil War who attended West Point was taught that line of thinking. Offensive warfare was the name of the game. The problem with this line of thinking, however, is that the technology had outgrown the tactics of the period. By the spring of 1864, you began to see trench warfare become more and more of a thing, until the lines began to resemble World War I battlefields by the time armies arrive at Petersburg in June of that year.
Should Lee have been aggressive as he was? In hindsight, I think it's difficult to argue otherwise. He bled his army dry with his aggressive tactics and ended up having very little in the tank when the final showdown began against Grant in May 1864. But the man had some brilliant victories which, if he had the reserves to follow up with, could have turned the war around heavily in his favor. The lack of reserves really cost him at Second Manassas and at Chancellorsville. Had he had additional troops to follow up Longstreet's assault on the plains before Bull Run, or additional troops behind Jackson's initial flank attack in the Wilderness around Chancellorsville, it's very likely the war could have gone much differently.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 1:24 pm to RollTide1987
Calling him an idiot is internet hyperbole, but seriously, frick him.
He had a path to victory and chose the wrong path.
He had a path to victory and chose the wrong path.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 1:31 pm to Tiguar
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Calling him an idiot is internet hyperbole, but seriously, frick him.
He had a path to victory and chose the wrong path.
I honestly don't know if he wanted the path to victory. He was always torn on state rights and the conservation of the union through Constitutional means.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 1:46 pm to AUsteriskPride
I agree with you here. I felt like he was conflicted. But the south had major advantages. Labor alone would have made trench warfare problematic for union troops. They were not built or trained for gorilla and siege warfare.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 2:14 pm to RollTide1987
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Imagine what he could have done to Robert E. Lee and his army had he fought him sober.
Given that he was probably functionally alcoholic, he may have done a lot worse.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 2:48 pm to RollTide1987
Glory, Glory Hallelujah indeed.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 2:49 pm to ellishughtiger
quote:Probably drunk.
He looks sleepy
Posted on 7/25/20 at 2:52 pm to Tiguar
quote:Damn.
Thank you.
The hero worship of lee is mind boggling to me.
Dude was an idiot.
Don't tell all the military leaders, strategists, and historians throughout the ages that say otherwise.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 2:54 pm to xGeauxLSUx
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Don't tell all the military leaders, strategists, and historians throughout the ages that say otherwise.
Today I learned 150 years is known as "throughout the ages".
Posted on 7/25/20 at 2:59 pm to AUsteriskPride
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Imagine what Robert E Lee could have done with Grants resources and manpower.
We'd probably be reunited by a German.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 3:42 pm to magildachunks
quote:No defined time of an 'age'.
Today I learned 150 years is known as "throughout the ages".
But have it your way...
quote:Is that better for you, pumpkin?
Don't tell all the military leaders, strategists, and historians throughout the last 159 years that say otherwise.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 3:52 pm to RollTide1987
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we’d all have a merry christmas. Lee was an average general who chose the wrong reason to fight on a side that couldnt win a war they initiated to protect a terrible way of life.
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