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re: Ole Miss removes state flag

Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:15 pm to
Posted by rb
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:15 pm to
Apparently some white guy named "Coon" (I'm not making this up & don't ban me ) who's the head of the Ole Miss NAACP & a student senator started this campaign with the help of Daily Mississippian (student newspaper ). The faculty were on board from the get go. The blowback is brewing from the number of out of state students on this board. They didn't allow the entire student body a voice.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
66914 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:16 pm to
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Yeah, slavery. Real proud legacy to stand for
The vast majority of southerners weren't slave owners. Also, there were slaves in the North as well, so I don't see how slavery is a southern legacy.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135044 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:16 pm to
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The vast majority of southerners weren't slave owners. Also, there were slaves in the North as well, so I don't see how slavery is a southern legacy.



Or even an American Legacy
Posted by Hickok
Htown
Member since Jan 2013
2987 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:18 pm to
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Slavery IS the Confederacy's legacy. Democracy IS America's legacy.

Because when I think of the confederacy, I think of slavery. And when I think of America, I think of democracy..IS your opinion always FACT?
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76206 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:20 pm to
Your pie charts made me peckish.
Posted by HeadCoach
Shady's Parking Lot
Member since Mar 2009
5659 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:26 pm to
Oh look, people offended at people offended. The horror!
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:29 pm to
Nobody here cares what the Mississippi flag is, and Mississippi didn't even have an official state flag from 1906 to 2001. The flag that people would like to change has been the official state flag for 15 years. If you're so bored that you have to melt over this, you're the most boring type of person imaginable.
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
23394 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:29 pm to
Looks like Coon is president of the College Democrats, not naacp.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
66914 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:29 pm to
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Or even an American Legacy
Good point. It was invented and is still practiced in Africa, as are genital mutilation and cannibalism.

It's really a magical place.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:32 pm to
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The vast majority of southerners weren't slave owners. Also, there were slaves in the North as well, so I don't see how slavery is a southern legacy.



Mississippi's stated reasons for seceding:

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Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth… These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.


Texas

quote:

The servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations.


South Carolina

quote:

Those [Union] States have assumed the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States.


Georgia

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That reason was [the North's] fixed purpose to limit, restrain, and finally abolish slavery in the States where it exists. The South with great unanimity declared her purpose to resist the principle of prohibition to the last extremity.


And Georgia and Texas (respectably in the quotes) stated their want to expand it:

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We had acquired a large territory by successful war with Mexico; Congress had to govern it; how, in relation to slavery, was the question then demanding solution. Northern anti-slavery men of all parties asserted the right to exclude slavery from the territory by Congressional legislation and demanded the prompt and efficient exercise of this power to that end. This insulting and unconstitutional demand was met with great moderation and firmness by the South. We had shed our blood and paid our money for its acquisition; we demanded a division of it… or an equal participation in the whole of it. The price of the acquisition was the blood and treasure of both sections-- of all, and, therefore, it belonged to all upon the principles of equity and justice.


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The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretenses and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slaveholding States.


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Also, there were slaves in the North as well, so I don't see how slavery is a southern legacy.


Then you are delusional if you can't see it. America has a history spanning 240 years. The Confederacy was only 4 and fighting mostly for slavery. One only spent a 1/3 of it's lifespan making parts of it slavery legal, while the other spent all of it's time making all of it's territories slave friendly and wanted to expand it. I think it's very fair criticism.
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:34 pm to
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I'd be shocked if Mississippi had its same flag this time next year, so I doubt it.


Heard that several times before...
Posted by HeadCoach
Shady's Parking Lot
Member since Mar 2009
5659 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:36 pm to
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I don't see how slavery is a southern legacy.


Truly one of the dumbest things I've seen posted on TD (wow). I'm sure it will get 50 upvotes.

As far as the question, how is it an American legacy? While slavery has existed for 1000's of years, no other country based it on race or used such violent means to sustain it. But you should've learned that in junior high school
This post was edited on 10/26/15 at 7:37 pm
Posted by rb
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
5633 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:36 pm to
Same difference.
Posted by Hickok
Htown
Member since Jan 2013
2987 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:38 pm to
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While slavery has existed for 1000's of years, no other country based it on race or used such violent means to sustain it.

Except in Africa...
This post was edited on 10/26/15 at 7:40 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:40 pm to
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Because when I think of the confederacy, I think of slavery. And when I think of America, I think of democracy..IS your opinion always FACT?



So you really don't think that 90% of the world doesn't think this way? The Confederacy was a state founded in direct response to slavery. America was founded in direct response to all people having a say in how they were represented by the government instead of having kings and lords. It was the first democracy done on such a grand scale (so spare me anyplace that would take less than a week on horseback to cross). I agree it was founded with hypocrisy, due to slavery and women not being able to vote, but hey it was a start, and the world largely followed suite after that.
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:47 pm to
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While slavery has existed for 1000's of years, no other country based it on race or used such violent means to sustain it.

Except in Africa...


Don't correct him. See how long it takes him to figure out how stupid his statement was.
Posted by rb
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
5633 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:49 pm to
I read where the OM SJW Coon said he planed on removing every symbol of the Confederacy from the Ole Miss campus. This is the reason you cannot give an inch with his kind. There is no middle ground.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:51 pm to
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I read where the OM SJW Coon said he planed on removing every symbol of the Confederacy from the Ole Miss campus. This is the reason you cannot give an inch with his kind.


I agree that's fricking bullshite. I mean, there's a Confederate graveyard on campus, and I don't think we need to frick up their bodies or anything. They were our students at one point after all.

EDIT: But the hypocrisy behind that nickname is absolutely stunning.
This post was edited on 10/26/15 at 7:53 pm
Posted by Hickok
Htown
Member since Jan 2013
2987 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:52 pm to
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So you really don't think that 90% of the world doesn't think this way?

I haven't surveyed 90% of the world, but I'm glad you have and are willing to put there opinions online. The confederacy was founded because of disagreement between states and federal government, and those disagreements include slavery but also many others (taxes). America split away from Britain soon after Somerset v. Stewart, so does that mean the US was founded in direct response to slavery (most of the founding fathers had slaves, right)? and not because it wanted to be the democracy that the "world largely followed suite" of...after multiple bombing raids?
Posted by CajunCommander
FloodZone
Member since Jan 2015
1875 posts
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:54 pm to
It's a shame that this loud, unemployed minority can make this happen. Meanwhile, the rest of us are too busy WORKING and supplying for this nation instead of focusing our time and effort, day in and day out, on stupid bullshite like this. I'm so sorry you're offended...

Get the frick over it and go get a job and contribute to society like the rest of us....
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