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re: Ohio did away with the gas tax for 90 days
Posted on 10/5/26 at 6:49 am to ragincajun03
Posted on 10/5/26 at 6:49 am to ragincajun03
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I'll agree, but there needs to be a way to capture income from the EV drivers as well. Or else, we've got even less of us pulling the wagon.
I don’t have an electric car, but have you looked at the taxes on your electric bill.
I think electric cars are paying plenty of other infrastructure tax
Posted on 10/5/26 at 6:53 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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quote: If someone is a conservative they should be in support of raising the gas tax to cover all road expenditures.
Your hypothetical assumes those funds are spent wisely without fraud and corruption
THIS X eleventybezillion in Louisiana…
Posted on 10/5/26 at 12:49 pm to WhiskeyThief
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Who made you the authority over whether .20 per gal tax suspension would help the average Louisiana driver.
Road and bridge repair in Louisiana, that’s a joke right …
You must be some govt asshat
Do the math. If your budget hinges on $20-30 a month, I feel bad for you.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 1:07 pm to ragincajun03
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needs to be a way to capture income from the EV drivers as well
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Texas electric vehicle registration fees ($400 new, $200 renewal
It's about $80 for a regular ICE car in Harris county.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 1:14 pm to CatsGoneWild
Georgia has done it several times over the years. Just did it in the last week or so. Each time it has been done gas prices dropped for a short period, started creeping back up and by the time the "crisis" was over and the tax was once again in place prices were slightly higher than before the last "crisis". It made gas marginally cheaper for a short period and when reinstated gas prices were marginally higher than they were before the got completely out of hand and the tax was removed. And of course the lost revenue is made up elsewhere because a pound of ground beef costs what it costs no matter what it is sold for...there ain't no free lunch.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 1:19 pm to Turnblad85
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"Pausing" taxes is only robbing peter to pay Paul. Ie, business as usual for politics.
Its probably more like clubbing peter and paul over the head because peter and paul are naive enough to think it ain't going to cost them either at the pump or somewhere else. It costs what it costs to maintain and build roads. The revenue has to come from somewhere. If it ain't coming from the user fees (fuel taxes) its going to come from somewhere. The idea that politicians will say "well folks, no pot holes fixed this month because the gas tax is cancelled" is the height of naivety. The truth is the pothole ain't getting fixed either way and they will simply recoup the loss revenue from some other user fee or tax. There ain't no free lunch...it costs what it costs to build and maintain roads.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 1:25 pm to jnethe1
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But we’ve always been paying taxes forever that was supposed to be for our infrastructure. Yet Biden passed the largest spending bill in history that was supposedly meant to pay for infrastructure improvements that we were already paying taxes for. Also that money had to be spent in 5 years if I’m not mistaken. Where’s that money?
$4.5 billion of it went to Louisiana for various projects. The same is true in every state in the Union. Mostly spent in rural areas for the most part for things like high speed fiber internet and of course road repair / maintenance and construction. Lot of bridges mentioned in the pages of Louisiana GOP politicians about how they secured money from the bill in the state.....
Posted on 10/5/26 at 1:28 pm to AwgustaDawg
A total of 51% of Louisiana’s major roads are in poor or mediocre condition. Driving on deteriorated roads costs Louisiana motorists $3.1 billion a year – $899 per driver – in the form of additional repairs, accelerated vehicle depreciation, and increased fuel consumption and tire wear.
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This post was edited on 10/5/26 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 10/5/26 at 1:28 pm to AwgustaDawg
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$4.5 billion of it went to Louisiana for various projects. The same is true in every state in the Union. Mostly spent in rural areas for the most part for things like high speed fiber internet and of course road repair / maintenance and construction. Lot of bridges mentioned in the pages of Louisiana GOP politicians about how they secured money from the bill in the state.....
That’s great. Now where was the money we’ve been paying in the form of taxes that was supposedly meant for our infrastructure spent on all these years? Why did we need this massive spending bill that increased inflation exponentially?
Posted on 10/5/26 at 1:34 pm to biglego
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The extra cost of diesel is a real problem. The extra cost for a soccer mom to fill up her Suburban is not a concern to me. Besides, an extra 30 cents per gallon. Thats a whopping $9 for a 30 gallon fill up.
I understand that not everyone is well heeled but most of us spend an awful lot of money on stupid shite that we could live without. If you drive 20,000 miles a year and get 20 mpg the difference between $3 a gallon and $4 a gallon is $19.23 a week. There are almost NO drivers who could not save that much or more by simply driving 7 MPH over the posted speed limit and not racing everything in sight at every stop. I get it, I hate paying anything for gas but I have not found a way to stop doing so. Here in Georgia dropping the gas tax for the entire year would save the driver above $300 or $5.76 a week. Again, I know not everyone is making 6 figures but even those who do bitch about gas prices yet drive a full size SUV or pickup when a Toyota Corolla would serve their purpose and cost less to buy, drive and maintain. It is the height of stupidity to bitch about gas prices when you have a f250 diesel 4 wd crew cab and the only time it has a load on it is when you need to take a dump and the only time it leaves the pavement is when you drop a tire off the median cause you are texting on the latest iphone...
Posted on 10/5/26 at 9:25 pm to Ostrich
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A total of 51% of Louisiana’s major roads are in poor or mediocre condition. Driving on deteriorated roads costs Louisiana motorists $3.1 billion a year – $899 per driver – in the form of additional repairs, accelerated vehicle depreciation, and increased fuel consumption and tire wear.
Ooooh, a non profit providing research. I wonder who their funding sources are?
Oh, we can find that. (PDF warning)
Construction companies, suppliers, surety bond producers, the American Concrete Pavement Association, the American Road and Transportation Builders Association, the ever present ACSE, General Contractors of America, Stone Sand and Gravel Association, the National Pavement Association, and others.
Who would have known?
Posted on 10/5/26 at 9:29 pm to AwgustaDawg
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awful lot of money on stupid shite that we could live without.
Nevermind gas, it's the dumb shite most of this board buys in gas stations instead of at Sam's like nicotine and energy drinks.
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yet drive a full size SUV or pickup
But happy wife, happy life dictates that you buy the Expedition for the wife with 3 kids. Like an Explorer doesn't have at least six seats.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 9:29 pm to LemmyLives
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Construction companies, suppliers, surety bond producers, the American Concrete Pavement Association, the American Road and Transportation Builders Association, the ever present ACSE, General Contractors of America, Stone Sand and Gravel Association, the National Pavement Association, and others.
Who would have known?
While I appreciate the cynicism for the pure sake of it, it's not like it's a secret that the roads in Louisiana are in poor shape and have been for decades.
The specifics of the study should be brought into question but it's not like the roads aren't garbage.
Posted on 10/5/26 at 10:20 pm to Powerman
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study should be brought into question but it's not like the roads aren't garbage
I appreciate the cynicism
I appreciate your appreciation for my acknowledgement of it.
Garbage compared to what? Louisiana has thousands of Altimas a day with no suspensions driving over them, so what's the point? The ACSE rates all kinds of shite built pre 2010 as "deficient" because it creates budget, in all states. I, for one, am reticent to believe any think tank.
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Moreover, while the American Society of Civil Engineers' 2021 report card gave the United States a C-, this is its best grade in two decades—meaning that the quality of roads, bridges, inland waterways, or ports has been improving each year, without a congressional rescue plan. This fact doesn't quite fit the crumbling infrastructure narrative that politicians and the media like to tout.
Houston and much of South LA have the same subsidence? problem which craters roads (except not ours.) SE Texas just has flooding in poorly designed underpasses, and randomly patched overpasses near truckstops that are full of potholes, including where the edges of the road crumble away. The state/parish roads in Lafayette, Lake Charles, WBR and EBR suck. Why don't they collectively suck so bad in Winnie, Beaumont, most of Houston (roads near the channel do get dicey, but they mostly get commercial truck traffic?)
TX DOT (and basically all agencies) have to justify their existence every ten years due to the Sunset commission. Louisiana doesn't have that. State agencies in LA are unresponsive to nearly anything, and continue their slow, shambling march towards functional obsolescence.
And yet people put up with it, because of family.
Posted on 10/6/26 at 12:44 am to jnethe1
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That’s great. Now where was the money we’ve been paying in the form of taxes that was supposedly meant for our infrastructure spent on all these years?
The gas tax that hasn’t been raised in 40 years? You really think that money is going that far? There’s not enough money to maintain what we already have, much less build new things.
Posted on 10/6/26 at 9:23 am to SoggyCerealClub
Federal rate went to 18.4 cents in 1993 and hasn’t moved. Louisiana’s been stuck at 20 cents since about 1990. Frozen rate is not the same thing as “the money isn’t there.” The Highway Trust Fund still takes in on the order of $43–48 billion a year in fuel and truck taxes. What broke is Congress spends past that. Since 2008 they’ve dumped roughly $270 billion in general-fund transfers into the trust fund to cover the gap. The 2021 infrastructure bill alone transferred $118 billion into it, $90 billion highways and $28 billion transit, on top of the taxes we were already paying. That’s the printing. It wasn’t found money for roads we never funded. It was deficit cash because they authorized more than the user fee brings in. And a chunk of that gas tax never touches a road. About 2.86 cents of the federal 18.4 goes straight to the mass transit account before a single pothole gets filled. Then the studies, the consultants, and the projects that take 8 years and come in at triple the bid. Louisiana’s roads are still garbage after $4.5 billion out of that bill because the problem was never “the guy filling up his truck didn’t pay enough.” It was spending past the receipts and not putting the receipts on pavement.
So no. I’m not ok with printing trillions for something the user fee was already supposed to cover, then acting shocked when the holes are still there and groceries cost more. If there isn’t enough to maintain what we have, stop building new stuff we can’t maintain and stop raiding the fund. Raising the tax so the same machine can spend $1.69 for every dollar it collects isn’t a plan. It’s how we got here.
So no. I’m not ok with printing trillions for something the user fee was already supposed to cover, then acting shocked when the holes are still there and groceries cost more. If there isn’t enough to maintain what we have, stop building new stuff we can’t maintain and stop raiding the fund. Raising the tax so the same machine can spend $1.69 for every dollar it collects isn’t a plan. It’s how we got here.
This post was edited on 10/6/26 at 9:30 am
Posted on 10/6/26 at 9:24 am to Turnblad85
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"Pausing" taxes is only robbing peter to pay Paul. Ie, business as usual for politics.
Election time.
Posted on 10/6/26 at 11:31 am to jnethe1
Bro your “user fee” has lost half of its purchasing power since 1993.
Posted on 10/15/26 at 6:50 pm to CatsGoneWild
Whelp, Ohio has gone up to $4.19 even with no gas tax. Gas stations had it lower for a week or two and then brought it up 70 cents. Scam artists
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