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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:50 pm to MountainTiger
Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:50 pm to MountainTiger
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US spy satellites monitored in Australia's heartland could provide crucial information in the investigation into the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 - but the information is being withheld.
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The Malay daily referred to Pine gap as a "super-secret" installation in Australia's dry and barren heartland, and claimed that the MH370 investigation team is awaiting access to the "big radar picture" in order to pinpoint the final movements of the missing passenger jet.
“Although [the Defence Minister] did not mention the two facilities by name, the New Straits Times believes he was alluding to the Pine Gap and Jindalee facilities,” the newspaper said.
US spy satellites monitored in Australia's heartland could provide crucial information in the investigation into the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 - but the information is being withheld. Photo: AFP/Getty
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Australia's powerful military radar, the Jindalee Operational Radar Network (JORN), can reportedly detect movements across 37,000 square kilometres.
While Australia releases little information about the system, Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said on Monday that all of Australia's defence intelligence of relevance to the MH370 investigation "has been and will continue to be passed on to Malaysian authorities."
The latest development comes as authorities continue to ask for potentially sensitive radar and satellite data from a number of countries in an attempt to narrow down search area that currently reaches over 2.4 million square nautical miles.
For the past days, Hishammuddin has openly and publicly asked countries to provide sensitive data from their satellites, with a specific focus on the radar data of the US, France and China.
So using this system US and Australia have shifted focus to a much smaller area off of Australasia coast.
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This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 1:00 pm
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:50 pm to MountainTiger
Just not sure if they apply the same logic to the northern arc or have ruled it out trusting other countries saying it never appeared on their radar
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:06 pm to ninthward
Remember we did fly halfway across their country to get Bin Laden.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:08 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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Remember we did fly halfway across their country to get Bin Laden
In small choppers (including very special choppers), very low to the ground (in comparison with a jumbo jet) & thru mountain ranges...no can compare BUT we did shoot that tall bearded ugly guy
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:15 pm to Topwater Trout
Have they released data on other earlier pings like at what angle plane was at during earlier pings?
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:20 pm to dallastigers
So the idea is that Australia and the US have some sort if better technology that they don't want to completely reveal that would lead them to search in this area?
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:21 pm to dallastigers
Sorry if Germans, but I did not want to read back through 300+ pages of posts. Anyway, here is a great link explaining the top 10 theories of what happened.
Top 10 Theories.
Top 10 Theories.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:25 pm to dallastigers
Not that I know of. Problem is the pings are only off the same satellite making triangulating the location impossible? That is how I understand it at least
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:28 pm to Topwater Trout
Yes, you would need 2 satellites picking up the ping for triangulation
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:33 pm to DawgCountry
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Yes, you would need 2 satellites picking up the ping for triangulation
though with two you would be able to have the location down to two possibilities. One ping gives you a circle like we had last week, We call it an arc because half the circle is useless because it's so far.
With three satellites placing circles you would have an exact point.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:35 pm to Muahahaha
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Media tycoon Rupert Murdoch has tweeted: "World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden." But Pakistan has strenuously denied that this would be possible.
I wonder if his news agency is pushing that story.
related to an earlier discussion.
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Prof Hugh Griffiths, radar expert at University College London, says it sounds feasible. But there is a difference between military and civilian radar. Civilian radar works by means of a transponder carried by the aircraft - a system known as secondary radar. The military use primary radar and this "ought to be higher resolution". So how close would the two planes need to be? He estimates about 1000m (3300ft). It is possible military radar would be able to pick up that there were two objects, he says. "It might be able to tell the difference, to know that there are two targets." If this happens, though, there's then the question of how this is interpreted on the ground. Is it a strange echo that would be discounted? When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941, although the US radar operator detected the incoming aircraft, they were dismissed as US bombers arriving from the mainland.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:36 pm to Napoleon
I thought TRIangulation meant 3?
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:39 pm to Traffic Circle
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I thought TRIangulation meant 3?
It does..you can still get a "fix" or point from two.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:42 pm to Traffic Circle
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I thought TRIangulation meant 3?
It does that's why I posted that picture.
I had posted the text too, but it came off as prickish. I updated.
One satellite gives you a circle of possibilities.
Two gives you two points it can be
Three give you one exact point.
(technically the sats are spheres not circles, but the opposing points would always be in space and are automatically excluded)
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:54 pm to Napoleon
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:58 pm to Traffic Circle
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1. Hijack
2. Crash
3. Ransom
does Hijack include pilot take over?
Those four would be the top choices if not.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 2:00 pm to Napoleon
I guess Hijack encompasses pilots, passengers and/or others.
Of course it could be hijack and crash or hijack and land.
Overall, I am thinking hijack and land, but that also might mean ransom too?
Heck, I don't know.
Of course it could be hijack and crash or hijack and land.
Overall, I am thinking hijack and land, but that also might mean ransom too?
Heck, I don't know.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 2:04 pm to Traffic Circle
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I thought TRIangulation meant 3?
Two points are detectors and they can locate an object that is at the 3rd apex of the triangle.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 2:10 pm to MountainTiger
Plane crashed, sitting at bottom of ocean. Fantasy stories over
Posted on 3/19/14 at 2:12 pm to Crawdaddy
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Plane crashed, sitting at bottom of ocean. Fantasy stories over
That's as good of a guess as any.
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