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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:10 pm to
Also seeing Indonesia is denying the US use of airspace to get to new Search area near Australia.

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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:17 pm to
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:18 pm to
I 'd.

Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:21 pm to
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:22 pm to
This is fricking incredible that we are now 12 days into this and still have no solid leads...

The Malaysians need to allow the US to come in and take over the investigation.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:25 pm to
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The Malaysians need to allow the US to come in and take over the investigation.


Apparently Australia knows something. They are convinced its in this area near Perth. The US has been sending it's planes there. The US has thought it was in the Southern part of the ocean.

Posted by MountainTiger
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:25 pm to
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Simple map based off of compiled information.

There seems to be a general misconception about the arcs from the satellite pings. My understanding is that the plane was somewhere on those arcs at a certain time. NOT that the plane was traveling along one of those arcs. The satellite was somewhere over the Indian ocean and it pinged the plane. Based on the delay between the ping and the response you can put the plane somewhere on one of those arcs at a specific point in time. There is no information about the heading or speed of the plane, just its position.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:29 pm to
Nine things the DID NOT happen to MA370


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Amidst tired conspiracy theories that point fingers at the Illuminati, aliens, and the Mossad, one novel take on the missing flight caught our attention. Last week skeptics discovered that 20 of the missing passengers on board Flight 370 were engineers at Freescale Semiconductor, a technology firm that develops components for military aircraft weapons systems. The resulting conspiracy theory: MH370 is cloaked, as part of either a wacky publicity stunt or a very sophisticated terrorist plot.

Although stealth technology could theoretically render an airplane invisible to radar, we're not convinced. Business associates often travel in groups, and Freescale Semiconductor has issued a statement expressing grief over the loss of its 20 employees.




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You can't blame the United States for hearing about a missing jumbo jet and immediately thinking "terrorism." Only hours after MH370 went missing, rumors began to circulate that two Iranian nationals aboard the flight had been traveling with stolen passports, as did speculation that these passengers pointed to an Iranian terrorist plot.

Now it looks as if they were just two guys traveling with stolen passports. Interpol investigated both travelers and did not find any evidence that linked them to a terrorist group. As Ronald K. Noble, secretary general of Interpol, told The New York Times, "The more information we get, the more we are inclined to conclude it is not a terrorist incident."



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Days after the Malaysian Airlines flight went missing, the Chinese Martyrs' Brigade claimed responsibility. No one had ever heard of the Chinese Martyrs' Brigade, so officials were skeptical, but the brigade's menacing email sent to Chinese journalists read, "You kill one of our clan, we kill 100 of you".

Malaysia's minister of transportation, Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein, told reporters that "there is no sound or credible grounds to justify their claims."
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 12:31 pm
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:30 pm to
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The Malaysians need to allow the US to come in and take over the investigation


NO!!!! It's their plane let them own it. We need to help and that's it.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:32 pm to
yeah, I get that. The arc thing is strange because it really depends on the exact time.


I'm seeing pleas to the hijackers on CNN right now. Sad that the best case scenario for them is a hijacking.
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:32 pm to
LINK
Until found all of these are on the tables, so to Popular Mechanics
Posted by The Mick
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:35 pm to
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My understanding is that the plane was somewhere on those arcs at a certain time. NOT that the plane was traveling along one of those arcs.
correct
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:35 pm to
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Last week skeptics discovered

We at the SECr knew this 2 weeks ago

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Business associates often travel in groups

No they don't

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Malaysia's minister of transportation, Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein, told reporters that "there is no sound or credible grounds to justify their claims."

Until you come up with a better one then their's is just as plausible Mr Hussein
Posted by MountainTiger
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:37 pm to
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yeah, I get that.

Wasn't calling you out specifically. I've just seen a few posts here and comments on other news sites that seem to indicate some confusion over those arcs.

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The arc thing is strange because it really depends on the exact time.

Yeah and I haven't seen that time reported but maybe I missed it in all the misinformation floating about. They know what time the plane made the turn to the west. If they can guesstimate the speed the plane flew after that then that gives them another arc centered on the spot where the turn occurred. One of the two points where those arcs intersect is where the plane was when the satellite pinged it.
Posted by SSpaniel
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:39 pm to
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Indonesia is denying the US use of airspace to get to new Search area near Australia.


What would possibly be their rationale for not allowing us to use their airspace to a fly to new search area?

What if we did it anyways? I mean, if Russia can annex part of another country, surely we can violate a little bit of airspace!
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 12:40 pm
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:41 pm to
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What would possibly be their rationale for not allowing us to use their airspace to a fly to new search area?


Doesn't want what they see as a "spy plane" under operation by a foreign government in an operation controlled by Malaysia to overfly it's airspace.

Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:42 pm to
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What if we did it anyways? I mean, if Russia can annex part of another country, surely we can violate a little bit of airspace!


Could be done, but the pilots and people in the are probably didn't have the authority to make that call.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:44 pm to
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There seems to be a general misconception about the arcs from the satellite pings. My understanding is that the plane was somewhere on those arcs at a certain time. NOT that the plane was traveling along one of those arcs. The satellite was somewhere over the Indian ocean and it pinged the plane. Based on the delay between the ping and the response you can put the plane somewhere on one of those arcs at a specific point in time. There is no information about the heading or speed of the plane, just its position.


The last ping was 8:11 am and was on the arc. I am guessing that Australia and the US determined it had x amount of fuel remaining beyond the arc when determining the search area near Australia.
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:45 pm to
Didn't take long for this situation to turn political. I'm glad certain countries are REALLY worried about finding this plane.
Posted by MountainTiger
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 12:46 pm to
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The last ping was 8:11 am and was on the arc. I am guessing that Australia and the US determined it had x amount of fuel remaining beyond the arc when determining the search area near Australia.

Could well be the case.
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