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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:22 pm to
Posted by Traffic Circle
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:22 pm to
The problem is one of perception.

Actual military capabilities in many respects are amazing, but not like in the movies. Governments want people to believe in the 'shock and awe' because it furthers their objectives.

Reality is, it is far from perfect. Jets can be lost. Criminals get away, murders happen. Terrorists strike.

Here, a jet 'got away' by exploiting vulnerabilities. I suspect there is a another shoe to drop by exploiting more vulnerabilities. Hopefully, we can stop it.
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:27 pm to
Is it that far fetched that whoever took over this plane landed it and then tried to take off again?

quote:

Here, a jet 'got away' by exploiting vulnerabilities. I suspect there is a another shoe to drop by exploiting more vulnerabilities. Hopefully, we can stop it.

This is what I'm waiting for. I feel like another unknown is about to come into the picture.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 12:28 pm
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:33 pm to
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It's plausible


If us officials think its in the Indian ocean I am going to go with that...I don't really care what Malaysia or the dumbass reporters that can't interpret a press release properly say.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

Actual military capabilities in many respects are amazing, but not like in the movies. Governments want people to believe in the 'shock and awe' because it furthers their objectives. Reality is, it is far from perfect. Jets can be lost. Criminals get away, murders happen. Terrorists strike. Here, a jet 'got away' by exploiting vulnerabilities. I suspect there is a another shoe to drop by exploiting more vulnerabilities. Hopefully, we can stop it.


Or there was no brilliant terrorist plot and the plane simply turned south avoiding all radars and crashed in the ocean.

But but but why haven't we found the plane yet...that is a big fricking ocean
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:36 pm to
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If us officials think its in the Indian ocean I am going to go with that


That's a reasonable position. but to laugh at an alternative, plausible theory is pretty ridiculous.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:38 pm to
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but to laugh at an alternative, plausible theory is pretty ridiculous.


not really. Malaysian military radar picks up the flight on its radar but ALL of those countries to the north didn't? To me that isn't plausible.
Posted by hg
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:39 pm to
Anything new today?
Posted by COTiger
Colorado
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:40 pm to
Nada
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:42 pm to
It's 1am there. Any news typically comes out between 9pm EST and 8am EST. Daytime here is filled with speculation and new theories.
Posted by MC5601
Tyler, Texas
Member since Jan 2010
4281 posts
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

The problem is one of perception.

Actual military capabilities in many respects are amazing, but not like in the movies. Governments want people to believe in the 'shock and awe' because it furthers their objectives.

Reality is, it is far from perfect. Jets can be lost. Criminals get away, murders happen. Terrorists strike.

Here, a jet 'got away' by exploiting vulnerabilities. I suspect there is a another shoe to drop by exploiting more vulnerabilities. Hopefully, we can stop it.




good tyler cowen post here: LINK
Posted by Napoleon
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:50 pm to
quote:


not really. Malaysian military radar picks up the flight on its radar but ALL of those countries to the north didn't? To me that isn't plausible.


well then you didn't pay attention to the possibility that it followed close to another plane, and missed the two links on that, plausibility.




Singapore 777 heading in same direction just a few miles ahead of Malaysian 777 at time of last contact.


This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 12:54 pm
Posted by Traffic Circle
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:59 pm to
quote:

good tyler cowen post here: LINK


I read this but don't understand it or who this is. Any insight?
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Member since Oct 2010
69997 posts
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

well then you didn't pay attention to the possibility that it followed close to another plane, and missed the two links on that, plausibility.


I don't consider that plausible at all.

If they wanted to fly into asia...it would have been PLAUSIBLE to follow the original flight track (not having to evade radar) and THEN diverting off course when needed. Not needing to piggy back another jet liner.
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

Or there was no brilliant terrorist plot and the plane simply turned south avoiding all radars and crashed in the ocean.

But but but why haven't we found the plane yet...that is a big fricking ocean


I'm still in this camp. I feel like as more time passes the media and public are more likely to jump on wilder theories because, in 2014, the world couldn't possibly lose a plane for 10 days unless there was an orchestrated plot. Obviously there was foul play, but I think the plane crashing is more plausible than some of these theories floating around.

The argument "if it was a suicide mission, why fly the plane for hours just to crash it into nothing?" makes some sense, but it's also relying on the assumption that a pilot willing to kill 200+ people is operating under any sort of logical parameters. If you're going to take over a plane and shut off all of its communication, there's no "logical" finish to the mission, because stealing a fricking plane and killing hundreds of people is completely illogical in the first place. We just assume the plane would be plowed into a building or something because it's what we've seen previously, but that plane crashing into the mountains or ocean is just as likely IMO.

ETA: Obviously not an apples to apples comparison, but I think this plays out similar to the accountant that jumped off the roof a couple of years back during exams. No one could find him leaving the building or on the grounds, so people started theorizing all these different ways the guy could have been abducted or murdered. Ultimately, the guy was dead in the bushes right next to building due to jumping. My point is that our society tends to jump on the more intriguing possibilities (i.e. accountant abduction, plane terrorist plot) than the more realistic scenarios (accountant jumped, plane crashed and can't be found)
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 1:12 pm
Posted by tgrgrd00
Kenner, LA
Member since Jun 2004
11533 posts
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:07 pm to
Malaysia Plane CoverUp: Passengers’ Cell Phones Ringing, GPS Information Kept Secret

Is something being lost in translation here? People keep harping on cell phones "ringing". OK, I can call someone whose phone is off or phone is dead and it will ring on my end. That is just telling me that the network is attempting to connect to the device I am trying to contact. It does not mean that the device on the other end is available or that the device is even functioning.

Is this just people that have no idea how cell phones operate or is something happening that is getting lost in translation or getting lost by the reporters in the articles? Like the line is being answered and hung up?

Yes, the cell carriers should absolutely check and see if any of these phones are actually connecting to the network but to assume a phone is operating because you can dial the number is absurd.

Posted by Choirboy
On your property
Member since Aug 2010
10779 posts
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:07 pm to
I hope I live long enough to get the answers to this equation.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68544 posts
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

Is this just people that have no idea how cell phones operate

Yep
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74172 posts
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

.it would have been PLAUSIBLE to follow the original flight track (not having to evade radar) and THEN diverting off course when needed.


So fly across China? You do know to enter China they would be talking to ATC.

again you are letting your preconceived opinions get in the way of factual possibilities.

Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39470 posts
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

suicide mission


One pilot killed the other pilot, locked the door, killed himself.
Plane flew until it ran out of fuel and then crashed into ocean/jungle.
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

One pilot killed the other pilot, locked the door, killed himself.
Plane flew until it ran out of fuel and then crashed into ocean/jungle.


Very plausible. This can be accomplished without much, if any, outside help. Landing a plane anywhere, repainting it, hiding the crew and then using them to execute a terrorist plot at a later time? Not so much.

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