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Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:21 pm to Chicken
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Is it common knowledge that the Rolls Royce engines ping signals to the ground? Or was that an industry secret that is no longer a secret?
Article I read said Malaysian Air was under contract to send data from engones back to Rolls Royce. Gave me the feeling that normally that info is pinged back to the Airline, but in this case or with this particular airline, Rolls Royce wanted the info 1st
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:21 pm to Chicken
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Is it common knowledge that the Rolls Royce engines ping signals to the ground? Or was that an industry secret that is no longer a secret?
I didn't know it did that and both of my engines on my plane are rolls royce. Maybe its just not talked about, and I don't think we use that feature unless I'm oblivious to it.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:22 pm to JAXTiger16
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They're name after Isaac Kidd who was killed on the bridge on the USS Arizona during the Pearl Harbor attacks.
"For conspicuous devotion to duty, extraordinary courage, and complete disregard of his own life, during the attack on the Fleet in Pearl Harbor, Territory of Hawaii, by Japanese Forces on December 7, 1941. He immediately went to the bridge and as Commander Battleship Division ONE, courageously discharged his duties as Senior Officer Present Afloat until the USS Arizona, his Flagship, blew up from magazine explosions and a direct bomb hit on the bridge, which resulted in the loss of his life."
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:23 pm to JAXTiger16
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both of my engines on my plane are rolls royce
That's how we know when you pass over our buoys..Very distinct frequency...
ETA: This is common Google Knowledge, not loose lips
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:24 pm to GrammarKnotsi
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That's how we know when you pass over our buoys..Very distinct frequency...
True, I think our acoustics pick up that frequency too now that i think about it
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:26 pm to JAXTiger16
JAX, make sure TD gets the scoop on this thing if you find the plane first. Larry Leo needs something solid to put on the home page. 
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:27 pm to Chicken
Chicken, my understanding is that they used the information the engines transmitted in order to figure out exactly what happened in the Air France crash. I don't know that it has been extremely widely known, but I think the layman could have known about it by reading up on Air France.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:28 pm to JAXTiger16
based on new info coming out...sounds like pilot suicide mission or hijacking:
LINK
If on auto-pilot, will the plane do anything special if it runs out of fuel, assuming there is no pilot intervention? eg, will the plane's flaps go down automatically to help it glide better?
LINK
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SEPANG, Malaysia — After four days of reticence and evasive answers, the Malaysian military acknowledged on Wednesday that it had recorded, but initially ignored, radar signals that could have prompted a mission to intercept and track a missing jetliner — data that vastly expands the area where the plane might have traveled.
Radar signals from the location where the missing aircraft, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, was last contacted by ground controllers suggested that the plane may have turned away from its northeastward course toward Beijing, officials said. Military radar then detected an unidentified aircraft at several points, apparently headed west across the Malaysian peninsula and out into the Indian Ocean, the head of the country’s air force told reporters. The last detected location was hundreds of miles to the west of where search and rescue efforts were initially focused.
The military took no immediate action on Saturday to investigate the unidentified blips, whose path appeared to take the aircraft near the heavily populated island of Penang, and only later realized the significance of the radar readings.
If on auto-pilot, will the plane do anything special if it runs out of fuel, assuming there is no pilot intervention? eg, will the plane's flaps go down automatically to help it glide better?
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:28 pm to PsychTiger
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JAX, make sure TD gets the scoop on this thing if you find the plane first. Larry Leo needs something solid to put on the home page.
Will do lol
Im checking out, gotta get some rest, its late here. See y'all in the morning.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:29 pm to Chicken
Anyone else seen This story?
I hadn't. It would explain why Boeing has been silent and has provided no data about the flight. And if the airline itself was collecting the data you know that is in question.
I hadn't. It would explain why Boeing has been silent and has provided no data about the flight. And if the airline itself was collecting the data you know that is in question.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:33 pm to Chicken
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If on auto-pilot, will the plane do anything special if it runs out of fuel? eg, will the plane's flaps go down automatically to help it glide better?
No, it will stay in the position it was left in. The pilots will still have control though, unless they are unconscious then based on the rate of descent the force will be strong enough to move the flaps in whichever direction it wants
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:36 pm to Chicken
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Is it common knowledge that the Rolls Royce engines ping signals to the ground? Or was that an industry secret that is no longer a secret?
every incident with the 777 so far has been with an airframe with the Rolls Royce engines.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:38 pm to Napoleon
Rolls Royce
Ruins Rives
Ruins Rives
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:39 pm to Chicken
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The military took no immediate action on Saturday to investigate the unidentified blips, whose path appeared to take the aircraft near the heavily populated island of Penang, and only later realized the significance of the radar readings.
haven't they waivered back and forth on this? i thought just yesterday they said this didn't happen.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:39 pm to JAXTiger16
The engine data transmission is commonplace now, especially for a carrier leasing engines under "power by the hour" where they literally lease the engines which are monitored and sometimes maintained by RR. Some companies with smaller maintenance infrastructure find it easier and more economical. The leasing part of it is over 50 years old, just the technology is new so it is common practice now and actually a good thing.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:39 pm to JAXTiger16
so, if this plane was on auto-pilot, heading southwest from Malaysia, how many hours of fuel did it have left and how fast was it traveling...if you had to guess? It needed enough fuel to get to Beijing.
And when it ran out of fuel, and started to descend, when it hit water, I assume it was not a belly landing...
And when it ran out of fuel, and started to descend, when it hit water, I assume it was not a belly landing...
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:39 pm to Chicken
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If on auto-pilot, will the plane do anything special if it runs out of fuel, assuming there is no pilot intervention? eg, will the plane's flaps go down automatically to help it glide better?
nope. it will fly until it runs out of fuel then crash like the Payne Stewart plane.
Though putting the plane into best glide configuration would be smart.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:40 pm to Topwater Trout
Malaysia = complete clusterfrick
ETA: there is no way in hell they just ignored a phantom radar return, they shot it down and will never admit to it.
ETA: there is no way in hell they just ignored a phantom radar return, they shot it down and will never admit to it.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:41 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:I think they are conceding that it could have been the plane but they don't know for sure.
haven't they waivered back and forth on this? i thought just yesterday they said this didn't happen.
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