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Posted on 2/23/23 at 5:33 am
Posted by Shanegolang
Denham Springs, La
Member since Sep 2015
3461 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 5:33 am
I've been told, read about, watched videos......can I get a damn definitive answer on changing transmission fluid or not?
Some say it will create more problems. Some say leave it alone. Some say if it's been done per the suggested maintenance in the manual it's ok (I like that answer). What say you mechanically inclined old baws?
2012 Toyota Corolla with 190K miles. Never changed, fluid is grey/pinkish.....starting to slip a bit.
Posted by LSUMANINVA
West Virginia
Member since Sep 2004
7725 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 5:38 am to
If it’s starting to slip, color has deteriorated, 190k miles, never done before…I’d lean towards doing it.

But I’m not a mechanic. I’m just trying to build my post count.
Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
14062 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 5:41 am to
Drain change filter and refill.


Don't flush if your over 100k.

I'll shake shite loose you don't want.

If you're on schedule with the service manual then follow that.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 3:00 pm
Posted by Macfly
BR & DS
Member since Jan 2016
8091 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 5:47 am to
quote:

Don't flush if your over 100k.


Yep, a change is okay with the correct fluid, but don't flush and don't need any additives.
Posted by BHM
Member since Jun 2012
3157 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 5:48 am to
I agree, with that many miles and possible slipping, now might be a good time.

My unprofessional opinion based on owning many high mileage cars is too not changed/flush on a small typical car.

Heat is a transmission'enemy so on a higher powered vehicle that tows, I would changed per schedule.

But that is just an opinion based on experience. Don't think there is a definite answer.
Posted by RoIITide
Member since Dec 2010
852 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 5:54 am to
I’d drop the pan…change the filter..refill.

Posted by IH8ThreePutts
Member since Mar 2018
1445 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 6:00 am to
Get Toyota ATF and drain replace.. make sure to measure how much came out for refilling. You want to have the correct amount of fluid. Drive around for some miles, You need to do it several times until the fluid looks clean and new. May also want to research adding an additive.
Posted by windmill
Prairieville, La
Member since Dec 2005
7018 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 6:02 am to
You can try draining the pan and changing the filter:however, the fact that it's starting to slip is bad news. I would typically not change fluid/filter in a high mileage vehicle that has never been serviced but the fact that you're having symptoms I'd say you might go ahead and try it. I think you're going to be getting a transmission in the future.
Good luck with it.
Posted by MikeAV8s
Member since Oct 2016
1745 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 6:10 am to
If it’s started to slip, it’s probably too late. However, you don’t have much to lose. Everyone up thread is correct. Doing a fluid “exchange” won’t hurt anything, but you don’t want to put any cleaner/detergents in there. What “can” happen is varnish/sludge that may be in some of the internal passages/valve body etc. can be loosened and can move and block something else. Fluid exchange first, if that doesn’t help you have nothing to lose trying a cleaner because it’s probably toast anyway.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 6:10 am
Posted by Jsand43
Member since May 2021
882 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 6:12 am to
Change it, run it 500 miles, change it again. Don't flush.
Posted by Bigfishchoupique
Member since Jul 2017
8414 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 6:20 am to
My experience is that if it slips, it’s over.

I have a Tundra with 375,000 miles on it. Had a shifting problem that I was able to diagnose the problem and fix. It was a solenoid n the transmission.

Changing in oil in those sealed transmissions is complicated.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 6:23 am
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11349 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:00 am to
eta: i goofed
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 7:01 am
Posted by Tusksup
Sheridan, AR
Member since Feb 2023
1520 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:37 am to
The grey is metal. Its already fricked.
Posted by eatpie
Kentucky
Member since Aug 2018
1144 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:40 am to
So the following is a synopsis of much research on the subject.

You should definitely change the transmission fluid! And also a complete flush.

Doing this will likely cause more problems though, due to the detergents breaking up built up deposits.

But I'd certainly advise against changing and flushing the transmission fluid.

Understand though, if you don't do it, you'll shorten the life of the transmission, due to the natural break down of the fluid and water absorption.

Posted by Hotgin
Kazakhstan
Member since Jan 2014
1272 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:43 am to
Did the 12 Toyota have metal clutch discs or Glass fiber?
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
12650 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:48 am to
quote:

Never changed, fluid is grey/pinkish.....starting to slip a bit.


Wasting your money. If it’s slippin, you are rippin it out. Unless you are lucky and it’s just a clogged filter.

Here is why people say to not bother when it gets too old. You have metal particles and particles from the bands, clutches, etc in the fluid. That has gradually risen the pressure in the trans because of the thicker fluid.

All of the seals, rubber components, springs, etc have been ran at the higher pressure.

When you change the fluid…. Pressure drops. And automatic trans works on trans fluid pressure.

If you change it routinely, this process doesn’t happen. Plus the metal particles doesn’t wear on the rest of the trans.

You can put some trans fix in to possibly temporarily get the shift back. But you need to be shopping for a trans shop.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 7:53 am
Posted by sleepytime
Member since Feb 2014
3584 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:52 am to
Drain and fill with a new filter and repeat after a few hundred miles. Spray the solenoids out with brake cleaner while you’re in there, the gray friction material could be clogging them up.
Best case: it fixes it
Worst case: you wasted a little time/money because the transmission was on its way out anyway.

Posted by TSLG
Member since Mar 2014
6724 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:53 am to
quote:

Change it, run it 500 miles, change it again. Don't flush.


This is what I would do too.

The issue with changing now is a ph and friction issue. You 100% can have more issues after a change based on the ph shock and less friction from the detergents in the new fluid cleaning the gunk off the parts in the transmission.

Does it smell burnt?

The changing it twice twice will get the gunk that was released out of the system.

I'd drop the pan, change the filters, drive awhile, do it again, and add some Lucas no slip when you fill it the second time.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67493 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:54 am to
It needs to be changed (fluid & filter) and the bands in the tranny need adjusting.
Posted by GoAwayImBaitn
On an island in the marsh
Member since Jul 2018
2148 posts
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:14 am to
I have a 98 Frontier. Changed the transmission fluid and filter religiously about every 50,000 miles. At 150,000 miles it went out with no signs of slipping or hard shifting. Just stopped shifting out of first.

Had a used transmission put in that had 60,000 miles. I haven't changed the fluid or filter ever since and the truck now has about 305,000 miles. The transmission has about 210,000 miles. No issues. I have even done some heavy towing that was probably above the truck's capacity

There's something to the old fluid is best if it isn't burned. I gave up on doing the maintenance by the book. My 2 cents
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