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re: NYU will offer free tuition for all its medical students

Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:22 am to
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:22 am to
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So would be roughly 36 to 37 million a year to fund it. With a 600 million dollar endowment, it would need an average return of 6 to 7% to run indefinitely.

And this is assuming the school charges the endowment full price. I’d bet the school ends up charging 80% of that price, which would only require a 5% return, very manageable
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79127 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:23 am to
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I’ll be sending S jr. to Johns Hopkins.



Little S is going to be a working stiff huh?

Good on you for not letting him lapse into the plague of generational wealth, S
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:25 am to
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. I’d bet the school ends up charging 80% of that price, which would only require a 5% return, very manageable


Cooper Union did it for decades before finally fricking it up with bad investments. I would imagine their pool of benefactors aren't on the level of NYU medical's.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110703 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:26 am to
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So would be roughly 36 to 37 million a year
Not bad


I don't know why but at $55k/year and 657 students, before I did the math I just assumed that number would be way higher so I thought that $600m wouldn't be sufficient, but it looks like it can be, or closer than I thought originally.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:27 am to
I would think they probably did the math.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:30 am to
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48829 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:30 am to
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I mainly meant in general. As long as they aren't dumping taxpayer money into this stuff then I am fine with it.
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Well im sure they thank you for the green light
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20872 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:34 am to
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it would need an average return of 6 to 7% to run indefinitely.


7% ROI is a conservative figure. I doubt they have trouble meeting that.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:35 am to
I’d imagine that since the funds are now in house the cost will plummet by upwards of 20% as there is no need to offset scholarships with full tuition
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84750 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:35 am to
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I’d bet the school ends up charging 80% of that price, which would only require a 5% return, very manageable


You'd be surprised how poorly endowments are run. They often try to outthink themselves and get burned.

That being said, NYU's endowment has returned 6.3% annualized in the 15 years ending 8/31/2016, which beats their benchmark.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:54 am to
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You'd be surprised how poorly endowments are run. They often try to outthink themselves and get burned.


Post 2008 - most, if not all, major universities have reigned in any "non-traditional" investments. They're typically well diversified and managed for the long-haul now.

You rarely see them "investing" directly in retail/tourism/etc.
Posted by manshipbk
Member since Aug 2018
104 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:56 am to
I hear the guys behind movie pass are behind this. But other schools do this provided you do not go into a specialty but become a general practitioner
This post was edited on 8/17/18 at 11:01 am
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68446 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:59 am to
I’m certain the school has a large enough endowment to do so
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 11:26 am to
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I’d imagine a lot of students capable of going to Harvard and going into debt would rather go to NYU for free


Harvard has a enormous endowment available to give away, only around 20% of undergrads pay full price to attend. The rest attend for free or pay greatly reduce tuition based on need, 100%graduate debt free, I believe they have similar financial assistance available for their medical school.
Posted by dixiechick
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 11:45 am to
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Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 11:59 am to
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The rest attend for free or pay greatly reduce tuition based on need, 100%graduate debt free


I have a hard time believing this?

A couple things, first off how many that go to NYU become general practitioners? Why would a great school be proud of the easiest profession? Should schools like NYU not concentrate on pumping out specialists and let lower level schools pump out general practitioners? I guess the local girl from NOLA that wants to have the New York experience can go to NYU for free instead of being at the top of her class at Tulane or something now.

Lastly, just because NYU is private does not mean the med school is all privately funded. Pretty sure most med schools get a huge amount of public funding.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84750 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 12:07 pm to
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Gotta be strings attached to this. No way it’s “free”.


Is it really so hard to believe an endowment can pay for these things?

Granted, given where LSU's endowment is, I guess I can understand the skepticism.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84750 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 12:09 pm to
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Post 2008 - most, if not all, major universities have reigned in any "non-traditional" investments. They're typically well diversified and managed for the long-haul now.


The LSU Foundation had a sub 2.00% annual return in the 3 years ending in 2016.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 12:12 pm to
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this..imagine the talent of the competition that wouldn't have considered them originally



Most top candidates consider them. They're elite elite.
Posted by tiger114
Fairhope, AL
Member since Sep 2009
5223 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 12:14 pm to
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You have to be able to get accepted into NYU medical school

You mean a like a merit based acceptance program? How fascist and un-American.
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