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re: NYC has fallen.

Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:24 pm to
Posted by OweO
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:24 pm to
New York City has never appealed to me at all. At no point in my life have I ever wanted to go there.

Living in an apartment where its pointless to have a car but have to go through crowds of people to get anywhere. Everyone kind of keeps to themselves (to some degree, I know its not like that for everyone).

I like to have some "elbow room" so to speak. I like to at least know of the people who live around me. I wouldn't want to have to deal with the general public every day to get to work. You can't really go do a "big grocery shopping". You stop on the way home from work, and grab what you can carry home.

That shite just isn't for me.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9585 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:26 pm to
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Woman burned alive on a Brooklyn subway by a cartel gang member.

No one seems to care.


The governor bragged about her security measures after this happened.
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Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:06 pm to
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We’ll save you from having to dig out your probability textbook by calculating some of the relevant risks for you. You still have a low probability — about 1-in-500 — of being a victim of a reported violent crime yourself, even over the course of an entire year. But probabilities have a surprising way of accumulating. You have a 1-in-30 chance of seeing a violent crime unfolding on the subway over the course of the year. And across your community of 30 people, there’s about a two-thirds chance that someone you know will have seen or experienced a violent crime unfolding on the train. New Yorkers who live in neighborhoods with higher crime, who take the subway during off-peak hours or who have longer commutes, likely face higher risks than this citywide average.


This reads like teachers telling us when we were kids that having unprotected sex with one woman was as risky as having unprotected sex with 13,453 women.
Posted by nugget
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:21 pm to
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For American cities NYC does not have a bad violent crime rate


That fine, but to say it’s unimaginably low is retarded.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:22 pm to
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This reads like teachers telling us when we were kids that having unprotected sex with one woman was as risky as having unprotected sex with 13,453 women.


Well that is true when that one woman is your own daughter.
Posted by nugget
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:23 pm to
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This reads like teachers telling us when we were kids that having unprotected sex with one woman was as risky as having unprotected sex with 13,453 women.


Bruh what is up with you and unprotected underage sex
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:51 pm to
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It’s 10x that of Tokyos rate
This is an America thing. Not a NYC thing.

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6-7x that of other major cities throughout Europe
There aren't any cities the size of NYC in Europe. And, again, it's a US thing, not an NYC thing.

NYC is the wrong city in the US to pick on for this shite. Just admit it: crime is jaw-droppingly lower than it used to be and you just want to keep moving the goalposts.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:57 pm to
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Crime may be at a 20 year low but if it's bleeding into areas where people who don't engage in risky lifestyles are being impacted, it's not entirely irrational for people to take note and be apprehensive (even if statistically your chances of being victimized remain near zero).
Taking note is fine. And being rationally careful is always fine. The stupid part is acting like it's Escape from New York because of isolated events and ignoring the overall picture. Literally millions of people live in Manhattan alone. Rich people. Rich people that also use these public spaces with very little fear. I have friends that live in Midtown West that have children that go to ultra fancy schools on the Upper East Side. I would describe them as helicopter parents. And even they don't think twice about having a 14 year old take a series of city buses over there on their own.

NYC has always been a boogeyman for as long as I have lived. The funny thing is that it actually was sort of a hellscape in the 70s and 80s. Now that it's vastly improved, we're still pretending it isn't perfectly livable.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:58 pm to
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That fine, but to say it’s unimaginably low is retarded.
It's unimaginably low. Stranger on stranger murders barely happen at all. The actual type of crime that people are afraid of in their minds is rare.

This is like kidnapping in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Barely any ever but every Karen in the country convinced little Braylyn was the next victim if they walked next door at noon.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9048 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 5:08 pm to
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Taking note is fine. And being rationally careful is always fine. The stupid part is acting like it's Escape from New York because of isolated events and ignoring the overall picture. Literally millions of people live in Manhattan alone. Rich people. Rich people that also use these public spaces with very little fear. I have friends that live in Midtown West that have children that go to ultra fancy schools on the Upper East Side. I would describe them as helicopter parents. And even they don't think twice about having a 14 year old take a series of city buses over there on their own.

NYC has always been a boogeyman for as long as I have lived. The funny thing is that it actually was sort of a hellscape in the 70s and 80s. Now that it's vastly improved, we're still pretending it isn't perfectly livable.



NYC, at least the parts of it where almost anyone would intentionally choose to live is fantastic for anyone who values accessibility to entertainment, great food, hot single women etc... over lots of open space.

Of course, bad stuff happens but I'm not sure any more happens here given that there's 15 million people than it does in any other 15 million person sample size area in the rest of America .

I know that I'm a LOT more "aware" in Pensacola Florida than in Brooklyn about potentially dangerous situations.



This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 10:06 am
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
29184 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 5:25 pm to
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And I got down-voted to Bolivia when I said I take nothing but Uber to get around NYC...


I guess I was naive, but on my last trip to NYC (pre Covid) I took nothing but Subways. Midtown, downtown, out to Coney Island and back, our to Citi Field and back, Yankee Stadium and back.

I never saw anything sketchy, but I’m also pretty sharp with directions and wasn’t staring at signs or maps all the time to look like a tourist. The NYC underground is a fascinating world.
Posted by RummelTiger
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 5:29 pm to
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I guess I was naive, but on my last trip to NYC (pre Covid) I took nothing but Subways. Midtown, downtown, out to Coney Island and back, our to Citi Field and back, Yankee Stadium and back.

I never saw anything sketchy, but I’m also pretty sharp with directions and wasn’t staring at signs or maps all the time to look like a tourist. The NYC underground is a fascinating world.


That's great!

My comments have been so taken out of proportion.

After a woman was burned alive in the subway - all I said was that we took an Uber all around the city to avoid the subway. That's it. In my mind, it was easier and safer...so that's what we did.

If everyone else chooses to take the subways and has no problems, then that is awesome - I'm happy for you.
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
29184 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 5:33 pm to
I’m not saying anything as a rebuttal, just sharing my experience. In hindsight, I’m wondering if I was dumb for doing that. I also had trouble sleeping one night, so I wandered down to some bodega looking place in Hell’s Kitchen that was near our Courtyard hotel. I saw bums sleeping everywhere. Again, maybe I was naive.

I didn’t feel like I was in any more danger there than I would be in the French Quarter after hours.
Posted by cubsfan5150
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 5:41 pm to
Creampie
Posted by nugget
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 5:46 pm to
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It's unimaginably low.


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to say it’s unimaginably low is retarded.


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Big Scrub TX



being exponentially higher than your international peers is not unimaginably low.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 5:47 pm
Posted by CR4090
Member since Apr 2023
8238 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 5:48 pm to
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If OP was old enough to remember New York City's in the 1980s, his head really would have been spinning and he really would've sworn that the world is going to hell.

Modern-day NYC is still the tea cup ride at Disney Lane compared to the 80s.


Do you hear yourself, Martha?
Posted by nugget
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 5:57 pm to
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There aren't any cities the size of NYC in Europe.


London is almost exactly the same size and is 5x lower murder rate
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59110 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:04 pm to
When I’ve been in nyc, I was with a native New Yorker or a group of guys going around lower manhattan and the nice parts of BK and was never worried, no way I’d go by myself, in an outer borough, though
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:08 pm to
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London is almost exactly the same size
The NYC metro area vs London Metro area has like 25% more people.

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5x lower murder rate
I'm not sure what "5X lower" even would mean, but the absolute number of murders in NYC is about 3.5X higher than London. Population-adjusted, more like 3X.

It's also worth mentioning that NYC is 2X as dense as London.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 11:11 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:10 pm to
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being exponentially higher than your international peers is not unimaginably low.
I don't think you know the meaning of the word "exponential".

Yes, crime in America is higher than most of the rest of the western world. That is not some New York problem. It's most places.

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