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re: NY Times Op-Ed: Good parents are hurting schools
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:10 pm to TH03
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:10 pm to TH03
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Heaven forbid they want to send their kids to schools where parents and teachers care.
You think poor people don't care?
I thought this is why private schools were created?
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Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:11 pm to TH03
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Exactly. And then to act like what they did was a bad thing.
Protecting your child is a bad thing
I agree, no parent would want the district to downgrade the school. Nothing bad about that. But, it is bad that low income neighborhoods have blighted schools.
They also tend to have a culture that can be contemptuous of education.
This post was edited on 6/27/18 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:11 pm to yoga girl
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It is time to share the wealth
Wow. The wealth has been shared for years . Look at our tax code. Take some personal responsibility please.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:11 pm to yoga girl
Life is not equal
Trying to make things equal only moves towards hurting the exceptional.
Trying to make things equal only moves towards hurting the exceptional.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:13 pm to yoga girl
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They also tend to have a culture that can be contemptuous of education.
Then why would it ever make sense to take from the people that care and give it to the ones that don't?
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:13 pm to Rouge
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Life is not equal
Trying to make things equal only moves towards hurting the exceptional.
We should have equal opportunity. It is in the Constitution.
But, that doesn't mean that we should punish people for being successful (and because I know it will come up, taxes to equalize income/wealth are NOT punishing).
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:13 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
From what I've seen, the quality of a school is determined by the following:
1/3 students' genetics
1/3 parenting/home life
1/3 teacher/school commitment and funding combo
1/3 students' genetics
1/3 parenting/home life
1/3 teacher/school commitment and funding combo
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:14 pm to yoga girl
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It is time to share the wealth (here, I'd think we would need some type of property tax surcharge).
Good idea. We could call it the "Nuclear Family Household Tax"
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:14 pm to yoga girl
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taxes to equalize income/wealth are NOT punishing
Not punishing to who? It's definitely punishing to the people being forcibly stolen from by the government.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:15 pm to TH03
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That’s on the community of families who are in that district. You can’t just take from the nicer ones. Fix your own shite
They can’t fix them, so they will break everyone’s. That’s kind of what progressives do.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:15 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and call bullshite on this one without reading it.
Good parents are the only thing keeping any public schools from drowning.
Period.
They can bitch about it all they want. Support vouchers or shut the frick up. I'm not going to blame parents with money from doing what they feel they have to do for their children.
Again, period.
Good parents are the only thing keeping any public schools from drowning.
Period.
They can bitch about it all they want. Support vouchers or shut the frick up. I'm not going to blame parents with money from doing what they feel they have to do for their children.
Again, period.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:15 pm to ProjectP2294
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Then why would it ever make sense to take from the people that care and give it to the ones that don't?
There are many lower income families that do care about education. It is sad that those who are contemptuous of education hurt the ones that aren't (and policies tend to be geared towards the disrupters which I always thought was odd).
We need to quit giving up on the poor.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:16 pm to yoga girl
We have equal access to education
How we accept that access, as a community, determines the value that will be received from it
Public schools need much more power to remove unruly students and move them all to glorified babysitting services.
How we accept that access, as a community, determines the value that will be received from it
Public schools need much more power to remove unruly students and move them all to glorified babysitting services.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:16 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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There are consequences to this phenomenon of “opportunity hoarding” by well-to-do parents.
It's called working hard, not "opportunity hoarding." When you eliminate it, there is literally no reason to strive for greatness--what you achieve will only be taken from you at gunpoint by the government or mob and given to the less able or less willing for you, as opposed to you donating or being charitable on your own.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:16 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Yeah, I want to send my kid to a school where the parents of the students don't care and the school isn't allowed to discipline the disruptive kids. This is socialism in a nutshell - bring everyone down to the cesspit so we can all share in the misery.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:18 pm to ProjectP2294
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Not punishing to who? It's definitely punishing to the people being forcibly stolen from by the government.
We have rewarded the uber wealthy and there has to be limits on that wealth and income. This isn't punishment. Everyone else is punished (by being paid wages no one could live on) by wealth and income hording.
I'm not against people having more money than others, but it is ridiculously extreme now. The gap between rich and poor is appalling.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:19 pm to yoga girl
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We should have equal opportunity.
Who doesn’t have this?
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:19 pm to yoga girl
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there has to be limits on that wealth and income.
Says who?
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:20 pm to ProjectP2294
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Says who?
Says the trust fund kid that works part time.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:20 pm to Rouge
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Public schools need much more power to remove unruly students and move them all to glorified babysitting services.
This I agree with. I have a friend who works at one of the lower echelon schools in Dallas and the disruptive, troublesome students ruin it for those who want to actually learn something and move forward with their lives. She says that the parents also enable them.
I can't advocate booting them out on the streets, so I don't really have a solution.
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