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re: North Face is now for poors. Patagonia is trend of moment. Barbour for ballers
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:00 am to Cocotheape
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:00 am to Cocotheape
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Fleece is fleece bro
Not really. Polartec Fleece which is in a lot of jackets is different from a generic REI fleece which is different from Patagonia's recycled fleece. That' sort of like saying Wal-mart's Cotton flannel is the same as Eddie Buaer's flannel becuase Cotton is Cotton.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:01 am to DelU249
He still mountaineers, climbs, and skis pushing 80 but most of his time and efforts these days go to the environmental conservation work he does. I can't remember but I don't think he was with Doug Thompkins the day he died kayaking in Patagonia
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:01 am to Cdawg
Fleece is only worth a shite for mid-layering IMO
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:03 am to mizzoukills
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Some of your better work in quite some time
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:03 am to HippieTiger
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Fleece is only worth a shite for mid-layering IMO
In the age of versatile soft shells, great base layers, minimalist puffys with DWR...my old fleece jackets are great for watching TV when it's cold in the house.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:04 am to Cocotheape
you take the price of the fabric per yard, the cost of labor per garment (with mass manufacturing in china or central America, it's not a lot), the price of the trims, and shipping plus costs...
let's say the price per yard is really outrageously expensive...$10.00
put the labor at $6
the shipping is cheap as it's put on a boat with tens of thousands of other garments...let's add $1
so far, you're at $17 cost to make your piece of clothing. the patterns they're doing are cheap, I doubt it is lined with anything expensive.
I laugh when I see $70 button down shirts at banana republic, but at least I can understand that the retail space adds to their costs like crazy. a lot of clothing is overpriced.
let's say the price per yard is really outrageously expensive...$10.00
put the labor at $6
the shipping is cheap as it's put on a boat with tens of thousands of other garments...let's add $1
so far, you're at $17 cost to make your piece of clothing. the patterns they're doing are cheap, I doubt it is lined with anything expensive.
I laugh when I see $70 button down shirts at banana republic, but at least I can understand that the retail space adds to their costs like crazy. a lot of clothing is overpriced.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:04 am to HippieTiger
Most of us live in the south. Fleece is fine for 99% of the time.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:05 am to mizzoukills
I think most people will agree with me that a simple Columbia pullover zip has its place in any man's closet. This label thing no matter income is ridiculous.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:05 am to Cdawg
The insulation/weight of all these different types of fleece are basically the same in practice. Cuts of jacket and quality of construction are different, but it's also a damn fleece jacket, you aren't climbing K2 in it.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:06 am to Ace Midnight
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when they transitioned from Chouniard to Patagonia, Inc
That's probably correct then. He probably gave her a title. I just know she happened to be in the right spot at the right time. At first, she was just a Cali teenager running his shop if I remember it correctly.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:09 am to Cocotheape
Hold on a sec...is Columbia still appropriate or is wearing Columbia anything embarrassing?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:09 am to Pettifogger
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haven't bought any "new" MH stuff in probably 4 years
I own 3 MH tents and a bunch of apparel. All very good stuff.
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know they've had quality control issues with some of their lower priced shells (mainly bizarre fits).
Yeah, I don't know, I own the seraction.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:09 am to Cdawg
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At first, she was just a Cali teenager running his shop if I remember it correctly.
She's like 10 to 12 years younger than him and Frost, so, yeah - she was like 23 or whatever when they made it Patagonia, Inc. Heck, she was 10 or 11 years old when he and Frost were climbing mountains and being dirty beatniks.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 10:11 am
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:13 am to mizzoukills
Why would you be embarrassed wearing Columbia?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:13 am to Cocotheape
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Marmot makes decent sleeping bags
I have zero complaints and I own their 15° and 0° bag.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:14 am to Salmon
I hear you. I had 3-4 fleeces when I moved here and now have one. It was 10 degrees when I walked the dogs to the flatirons this morning and will be sub-zero tomorrow. Fleece definitely serves more of a purpose there
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:14 am to DelU249
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I laugh when I see $70 button down shirts at banana republic, but at least I can understand that the retail space adds to their costs like crazy. a lot of clothing is overpriced.
It's all overpriced, outdoor stuff included. You do pay for fabric to some extent, but to the extent it is "worth it" at all, I find that usually comes into play with durability, fit and finish. Arcteryx uses good GTX, stitching is always perfect, durability is great. But the reason I overpay for it is because the cuts just blow away most competitors.
It's no different than buying any other jacket. Sure, a Lauren by Ralph Lauren blazer from Macys is made from inferior materials than a Hickey Freeman one, but it also looks like a frumpy trash bag compared to a higher quality brand and is probably a lot less comfortable.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:14 am to mizzoukills
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Columbia
For poors and gapers
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:15 am to mizzoukills
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But, there are brands that seem to shun the lure of "trend of the moment". A great example of one of these brands is Barbour. Sure, there are many other brands as good or better than Barbour. But for sake of today's argument, I've chosen Barbour. Barbour doesn't need to be the "trend of the moment". It knows what it is and embraces its place in the fashion world.
This is debatable. In the last ten or so years Barbour has started making lots more models than they used. Many are now made in Asia and Eastern Europe rather than England. They also added bright logos on some jackets.
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