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re: Noah's Ark found?
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:57 am to deltaland
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:57 am to deltaland
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The truth is there was likely a devastating regional flood and Noah built the boat and put his family and some farm animals on it that were needed for survival. Word by mouth over time embellishes the story. Now whether God warned Noah and the flood was targeting people as punishment or it was a random act of nature and Noah was intelligent enough to notice bad weather was coming can be left to argument between believers and non believers
Right on.
Regional flood, regional god. It's not that difficult. Every region has both. You either have faith that they all tie together or you don't. That's religion. To each their own on that part. The regional floods are mostly proven. The stories, well, we all know how stories go.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:07 am to BFANLC
They should go ahead and let the animals out
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:12 am to CueBacca
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The myth of Noah's Ark was plagiarized from at least 2 other sources 100s of years before it appeared in any Christian context.
1) The story of the flood appears in the OT, a Judaic record and religious text which leads to Christianity but pre-dates it by several thousand years.
2) The story is not necessarily plagiarized. It is a story that is common to multiple cultures in all areas of the world. The fact that it is a well known story in all these cultures ought to be a hint that it just might be more than a fabricated myth.
3) The altered names are quite easily explained by the different languages in which the story appears. The English name, John, is Ian and Scotland, Johann in Germany, Ivan in Russia, and has other variants I won't take the time to list here. In Christianity, the name Jesus appears in Hebrew and Aramaic as Yeshua, in Greek as Isous, in German as Jesu, etc.
Your statement fails to provide any cause for doubt regarding the authenticity of the event or the records that exist of its occurrence. If you want to believe it's a myth, then that's your right. However, multiple records of the event throughout many cultures, as well as geological evidence indicate that a world-wide flood did indeed occur. But I won't taunt you for burying your head in the sand in order to alleviate your conscience as you choose to live a life with no guidance or hope.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:12 am to deltaland
quote:this is most likely the truth. I go to church almost every Sunday, but I mostly go for the teachings and wisdom I gain. Not because I’m 100% sure there’s a magical being that at one time was fooled into giving a magical gift to the wrong boy because he was disguised in goat skin, but now we consider that same being to be omnipotent. The Old Testament god, particularly the first 5/10 books, is a completely different entity it seems like from the God we get later on. This to me points to difference between 1st temple Judaism and 2nd temple Judaism after they had been subject to Zoroastrianism.
The truth is there was likely a devastating regional flood and Noah built the boat and put his family and some farm animals on it that were needed for survival. Word by mouth over time embellishes the story. Now whether God warned Noah and the flood was targeting people as punishment or it was a random act of nature and Noah was intelligent enough to notice bad weather was coming can be left to argument between believers and non believers
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:35 am to Breesus
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Maybe you don’t seek proof because the proof is all around you and you take it for granted or you just don’t think about all the proof that exists.
You seem very confident that this proof you believe exists is the doing of the God you believe in, please tell me how it's not the proof of the multitude of other Gods that other people believe in
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:38 am to Boondock Saint
quote:bullshite. They used the border collies to round them up baw.
You do understand that not every animal on Earth is in one place on the planet to be loaded onto a boat?
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:57 am to slapnuts74
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One day..whether you want believe it or not..EVERY knee will bow..and every tongue will confess..that HE is Lord.
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slapnuts74

Thanks for your input slapnuts74
Posted on 5/15/25 at 9:03 am to Swamp Angel
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It is a story that is common to multiple cultures in all areas of the world.
A great flood? Absolutely.
A man who builds a boat in preparation of massive rainfall, and loads 2 of each animal, and outlasts the flood to start civilization anew? No. Lol.
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The altered names are quite easily explained by the different languages in which the story appears.
No. The names of the Gods were changed. And Noah is not just how Gilgamesh's character was pronounced different.
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Early Flood Myths Timeline
c. 3000 - 2000 BCE - Sumerian Flood Myth (Eridu Genesis)
One of the earliest known versions, found on a fragmented tablet from ancient Sumer (modern-day Iraq).
Involves the hero Ziusudra, who builds a large boat to survive a great flood sent by the gods.
c. 2100 - 1800 BCE - Epic of Gilgamesh (Akkadian Version)
Written in Akkadian, this version features Utnapishtim, a wise man who receives a warning from the god Ea (Enki) to build a boat.
His story is part of a larger epic and closely parallels the later Noah story in terms of the flood narrative.
c. 2000 - 1500 BCE - Atrahasis Epic
Another Mesopotamian text that includes a flood story, with the hero Atrahasis building an ark-like vessel to survive a divine flood.
This version provides more detail on the reasons for the flood, including overpopulation and noise disturbing the gods.
c. 1500 - 500 BCE - Book of Genesis (Hebrew Bible / Old Testament)
The Noah story, found in Genesis chapters 6-9, is the most widely known version in Western cultures.
It features a single, just man (Noah) who builds an ark at God's command to save his family and animals from a global flood.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 9:04 am to TheGasMan
I think the story of Noah is more about faith than a flood. God told him to build this ark in a region that was in drought for years.
The entire time Noah was building the Ark, which took a very long time, he was being ridiculed by everyone. He questioned his own faith many times but had enough to heed God's word and build the Ark.
The entire time Noah was building the Ark, which took a very long time, he was being ridiculed by everyone. He questioned his own faith many times but had enough to heed God's word and build the Ark.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 9:33 am to thejuiceisloose
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You seem very confident that this proof you believe exists is the doing of the God you believe in, please tell me how it's not the proof of the multitude of other Gods that other people believe in
Or just strip the whole gods thing out entirely and realize sh!t happens. Sometimes for good, sometimes for bad, most of the time for neutral and irrelevant
Posted on 5/15/25 at 9:41 am to DavidTheGnome
the universe is a disinterested party to the ways of the dust speck we inhabit, neutral to the myths and legends and stories we have created to make ourselves feel relevant and important.
there are no favored observers
that doesn’t mean faith in a creator doesn’t have value as it most certainly does, our very fragile society would crumble without it
both are true
there are no favored observers
that doesn’t mean faith in a creator doesn’t have value as it most certainly does, our very fragile society would crumble without it
both are true
Posted on 5/15/25 at 9:45 am to cgrand
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Noah’s ark is a parable
Over 300 people downvoted this. I learned this in Catholic school. One day we were on this subject in religion class and people started question questions...
"How did he feed the animas?"
"You telling me the Lions and Tigers didn't eat the deer?"
And I remember the teacher getting frustrated and saying "Look, these are just parables to teach lessons".
Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:11 am to OweO
Remember when religion threads weren’t allowed? I memba
Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:46 am to JDPndahizzy
I'm sure Noah was able to get his hands on some giant saws to cut down trees that didn't exist in his area to build a carnival cruise ship. Just a heads up, the bible, and this discovery claiming to find the ark claim that the ark was 157m long, which is just laughable to think some desert dweller built a fricking cruise ship 4,000 years ago in an area that literally does not have enough wood to even construct that, not to mention the fact that it would probably take him decades to build it.
The largest wooden ship ever made was in 1909, and it was 140m long. It weighed 4,000 tons and didn't even have the house like structure built on top of it like Noah's Ark claims to have. That ship made in 1909 didn't last very long b/c it was ridiculously too big and couldn't handle any type of rough seas, constantly having issues with boards buckling and water getting inside the boat.
But sure, Noah built the largest wooden ship known to man, 4000 years ago, in an area of the world that barely has any trees.
Where they think they found the ark, is almost 17,000ft above sea level. Think about how much water would need to flood a gigantic area for a boat to be floating around at 17,000ft above sea level. It's not even physically possible for that happen. IF....IF all the ice on the earth melted the global sea level would rise about 230 feet. There isn't enough rain water that can be dumped in that area and also be contained long enough to allow water to rise 17,000ft above sea level, or some tsunami wave or whatever other method of water inundating the area to make that possible.
How anyone can believe this story the way it is told is baffling to me. Your refusal of any common sense or logic amazes me. And I know you'll come back with that catch all "have to have faith" excuse.
I'm not saying a local flood didn't happen, or that some man from 4000 years ago was able to ride that flood out on a make shift raft, or maybe his own personal river boat, saving people and livestock, and his story was passed down through generations, but to believe the fairy tale details that is told in the bible of Noah's Ark is just plain stupid.
It's a ridiculously embellished story being told where it's sole purpose is to teach a lesson, not to be taken literally. How you want to interpret that lesson is up to you.
The largest wooden ship ever made was in 1909, and it was 140m long. It weighed 4,000 tons and didn't even have the house like structure built on top of it like Noah's Ark claims to have. That ship made in 1909 didn't last very long b/c it was ridiculously too big and couldn't handle any type of rough seas, constantly having issues with boards buckling and water getting inside the boat.
But sure, Noah built the largest wooden ship known to man, 4000 years ago, in an area of the world that barely has any trees.
Where they think they found the ark, is almost 17,000ft above sea level. Think about how much water would need to flood a gigantic area for a boat to be floating around at 17,000ft above sea level. It's not even physically possible for that happen. IF....IF all the ice on the earth melted the global sea level would rise about 230 feet. There isn't enough rain water that can be dumped in that area and also be contained long enough to allow water to rise 17,000ft above sea level, or some tsunami wave or whatever other method of water inundating the area to make that possible.
How anyone can believe this story the way it is told is baffling to me. Your refusal of any common sense or logic amazes me. And I know you'll come back with that catch all "have to have faith" excuse.
I'm not saying a local flood didn't happen, or that some man from 4000 years ago was able to ride that flood out on a make shift raft, or maybe his own personal river boat, saving people and livestock, and his story was passed down through generations, but to believe the fairy tale details that is told in the bible of Noah's Ark is just plain stupid.
It's a ridiculously embellished story being told where it's sole purpose is to teach a lesson, not to be taken literally. How you want to interpret that lesson is up to you.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:02 am to TeddyPadillac
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Noah built the largest wooden ship known to man, 4000 years ago, in an area of the world that barely has any trees.
This was the easiest part of story.
Try gathering a cheetah and a wildebeast. Now get male and female of each. Then try to keep the cheetah from eating the wildebeast. Now repeat for the other 6,499 mammals. Feed them. Manage attrition. Lastly, when done, don’t forget the reptiles et al.
Those who believe this to be literal suggest to me God the creator built-in entertainment factor in human design for the Heavens, as they look down to observe Earth.
God: “Watch this Peter, these knuckleheads believe creationism and oppose incest at the same time!”
Peter: “The same ones who prove that there was worldwide flood by citing observers of it in all parts of the world…and ignore that flood would have drowned all these people?”
Malleable creatures we humans are.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:11 am to BFANLC
Everybody should appreciate that USL was once a hotbed of Genesis flood thought. My AI agent wrote me a nice summary...
During his tenure at Southwestern Louisiana University (now the University of Louisiana at Lafayette) from 1951 to 1956, Henry M. Morris served as Head of the Civil Engineering Department. His contributions included:
- Academic Leadership: Morris played a key role in shaping the civil engineering curriculum and mentoring students in hydraulic engineering.
- Research & Publications: He continued his work in hydraulic engineering, which later influenced his writings on flood geology.
- Early Creationist Thought: While at Southwestern Louisiana, Morris began developing ideas that would later be foundational to his creationist theories, culminating in The Genesis Flood (1961).
During his tenure at Southwestern Louisiana University (now the University of Louisiana at Lafayette) from 1951 to 1956, Henry M. Morris served as Head of the Civil Engineering Department. His contributions included:
- Academic Leadership: Morris played a key role in shaping the civil engineering curriculum and mentoring students in hydraulic engineering.
- Research & Publications: He continued his work in hydraulic engineering, which later influenced his writings on flood geology.
- Early Creationist Thought: While at Southwestern Louisiana, Morris began developing ideas that would later be foundational to his creationist theories, culminating in The Genesis Flood (1961).
Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:19 am to Artificial Ignorance
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Those who believe this to be literal
You’re only talking to Southern Baptist.
This is “pre-history” oral tradition meant to tell a symbolic story.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:19 am to Boondock Saint
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You do understand that not every animal on Earth is in one place on the planet to be loaded onto a boat?
I won't even list out the other numerous things that simply cannot happen due to laws of physics, etc.
One basic question that I always had:
Was the flood freshwater or saltwater?
Because freshwater and saltwater life adapted to handle osmotic pressure differently.
If the flood had enough volume to cover the peakes of the highest mountains (Genesis 7:18–20), the water would have killed all marine life if the flood was freshwater or vice versa...
Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:30 am to cgrand
Or, as I remember hearing on the TV show "Ancient Aliens" the theory that the story of Noah's Ark was nothing more than a DNA bank for the world's animals and that is how they survived the great flood.
And to me that is about as believable as there actually being a Noah's Ark in the first place.
And to me that is about as believable as there actually being a Noah's Ark in the first place.
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 11:40 am
Posted on 5/15/25 at 2:57 pm to RIPMachoMan
I am just telling you my experience. A lot of people will disagree and that's okay. We are all adults, I don't see a problem discussing this.
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