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re: No matter what direction we point a telescope, we always look toward the Big Bang - why?
Posted on 7/28/22 at 11:29 am to Korkstand
Posted on 7/28/22 at 11:29 am to Korkstand
quote:
And neither of us could know who is nearer the "center" of the universe, if such a place existed. It's the speed of light that is the limiting factor here, and if the universe were older then we could see "further".
If
1. Everything in the universe originated from the big bang
And
2. The big bang is calculated to have occurred 13.8 billion years ago
And
3. Light travels at some approximation of the speed of light
And
4. Nothing travels faster than the speed of light and matter doesn't even come close
Then
Everything in the universe is within 13.8 billion light years of the center/origin of the universe.
If we then can see 13 billion light years and are at the center, we should be able to see nearly to the edge.
If we are approximatly 1 billion light years from the center, we should be able to see past the bounds of the universe.
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Posted on 7/28/22 at 11:29 am to DarthRebel
quote:If you can propose a better theory, the world would "eat it up".
That is why people should quit with the Big Bang "Theory" is what happened.
Big Bang is a placeholder and thus my comment God would be a better placeholder and easier to grasp.
Big Bang is the ultimate "magic" and people eat that crap up as settled truth
The big bang is not so much a placeholder as it is a simple description of the only thing we can infer from the fact that the universe is expanding. That is, if time could be played in reverse, about 13.8 billion years ago everything would contract to a single point.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 11:31 am to Korkstand
quote:I know we arent stationary but you said we are not headed in any direction and everything is moving away from us. Just wondering a bit more about what that means.
Stationary relative to what?
Posted on 7/28/22 at 11:35 am to squid_hunt
quote:Wrong. You are thinking of it as an explosion in space rather than an explosion of space.
If
1. Everything in the universe originated from the big bang
And
2. The big bang is calculated to have occurred 13.8 billion years ago
And
3. Light travels at some approximation of the speed of light
And
4. Nothing travels faster than the speed of light and matter doesn't even come close
Then
Everything in the universe is within 13.8 billion light years of the center/origin of the universe.
The speed of light is the fastest that something can move through space. Two distant points in space can, and it appears do, move away from each other faster than the speed of light.
Back to the balloon analogy, imagine an ant crawling on the balloon while it's inflating. Surely the ant can reach a nearby point. He might even be able to crawl a certain percentage across the surface. But if the circumference of the balloon is growing faster than the ant can crawl, he will never be able to crawl all the way around it. And he could never measure its size.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 11:42 am to Korkstand
quote:
Wrong. You are thinking of it as an explosion in space rather than an explosion of space.
You understand you just stepped into God said, "Let there be light." territory, right?
Basically it all works out because of Deus ex machina. This isn't science. It's just untestable convenience. That you are dismissing my challenges with so much scorn rather than challenge your own assumptions is both funny and sad. You're not right, you just have one possible, untestable theory.
I don't know why that's better than "Maybe the universe is bigger than we thought." Within five years, they will discover the universe is much older than they estimated to this point. Because that is the rational answer.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 11:43 am to StringedInstruments
Because the Big Bang is bullshite.
A creator is responsible for building and setting everything in motion.
I've said this many times, but how the hell was everything in the Universe condensed down into a singular point of unfathomable mass? And why did that unfathomable point of mass decide to go bang (or now you guys are saying inflated) one day?
Big Bang is a bullshite theory. The only thing that could have set the Big Bang in motion is God(the creator).
A creator is responsible for building and setting everything in motion.
I've said this many times, but how the hell was everything in the Universe condensed down into a singular point of unfathomable mass? And why did that unfathomable point of mass decide to go bang (or now you guys are saying inflated) one day?
Big Bang is a bullshite theory. The only thing that could have set the Big Bang in motion is God(the creator).
This post was edited on 7/28/22 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 7/28/22 at 11:44 am to Jake88
quote:It means that space and time, spacetime, motion, direction, everything is relative to something else. Which way is "up"? That depends on where in the world you're standing. Or does it depend on where earth is in its orbit? Or where the sun is in its orbit? Or where the milky way is?
I know we arent stationary but you said we are not headed in any direction and everything is moving away from us. Just wondering a bit more about what that means.
"Up" doesn't mean anything without a frame of reference. And the only frame of reference in space is something else in space. How do you ever determine what's moving in which direction, or what's not moving at all? You can't, really.
All we can tell is that things are moving away from everything else, and the further apart two things are the faster they are moving apart. That's how we know that space itself is expanding.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 11:54 am to squid_hunt
quote:So?
You understand you just stepped into God said, "Let there be light." territory, right?
quote:You realize that you are arguing against a literal century of observations by the smartest people in the world, right?
Basically it all works out because of Deus ex machina. This isn't science. It's just untestable convenience. That you are dismissing my challenges with so much scorn rather than challenge your own assumptions is both funny and sad. You're not right, you just have one possible, untestable theory.
quote:Again, it's doubtful that the estimated age of the universe will be adjusted much. If it were much older, all the measurements taken to date would imply that at one point the universe was smaller than an infinitesimal point.
I don't know why that's better than "Maybe the universe is bigger than we thought." Within five years, they will discover the universe is much older than they estimated to this point. Because that is the rational answer.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 11:57 am to PoppaD
quote:
The only thing that could have caused the Big Bang is God.
Who could argue with this irrefutable logic and reason
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:00 pm to PoppaD
What if we are molecules trapped inside DNA trapped inside a cell trapped inside God and he is kicking it in heaven on a boat catching fish?
God can still exist in this scenario and life can still be created. To the molecule/observer we will never fully know or have the ability to observe that. Now it could change once the cell dies and is shat out and absorbed by another living thing. Much like reincarnation.
Some of y'all need to go on a few more space traveling missions as a psychonaut. Think bigger and grander. Also think tinier and smaller
God can still exist in this scenario and life can still be created. To the molecule/observer we will never fully know or have the ability to observe that. Now it could change once the cell dies and is shat out and absorbed by another living thing. Much like reincarnation.
Some of y'all need to go on a few more space traveling missions as a psychonaut. Think bigger and grander. Also think tinier and smaller
This post was edited on 7/28/22 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:06 pm to Korkstand
quote:
You realize that you are arguing against a literal century of observations by the smartest people in the world, right?
100 years of evolving observation cannot grasp 13.8 billion years of existence. It takes a narrow mind to think so
Science is wrong, more than it is right. They are going to have Universe evolution pretty wrong in the end. It is scary how many people here that do not question it and just regurgitate what they have been told or read by our "experts"
quote:
the smartest people in the world
Are these the same people that came up with more than 2 genders
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:08 pm to Korkstand
quote:
You realize that you are arguing against a literal century of observations by the smartest people in the world, right?
What is a century versus 13.8 billion years? Especially when the conditions changed and are not reproducible? That's still not science.
The age of the universe is about to get pushed. How do I know? Because I've seen this silliness before. Their theories have all been disproven. They'll keep them for a while until they are ready to give them up. Wthin five years, the universe will be over 20 billion years old.
This post was edited on 7/28/22 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:12 pm to PoppaD
quote:
X is a bullshite theory. The only thing that could have caused the X is God.
Wonder how many times this has been said throughout history...
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:14 pm to squid_hunt
quote:
The age of the universe is about to get pushed.
You keep saying this like its a negative.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:18 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
You keep saying this like its a negative.
The negative is everyone acting like what I said was crazy and responding with unrelated universe facts and hand waving it away. But glad you jumped on the "Of course, that's what we always believed" train early. I think there's a far simpler solution, personally. Be interesting to see what they do with the Big Bang once it becomes unworkable.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:22 pm to squid_hunt
quote:
I think there's a far simpler solution, personally.
And what is the natural, scientific, observable solution?
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:23 pm to DarthRebel
So sick of scientist liberals' crusade against God.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:23 pm to chRxis
quote:
we aren't even the center of our own galaxy
There zero evidence or observable science that is even true.
This post was edited on 7/28/22 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:26 pm to I20goon
quote:
You are an ant on top of a silver dollar. It inflates like the big bang... 100k years later you are a dog on a football field. 2 million years later you are an obese man in Catahoula Parish.
Thats why people don't buy the "earth is billions of years old". If the earth has always been 94 million miles from the sun, just how small was the earth and the sun 4.5 billion years ago when our planet "expanded" out of empty space and would become "earth"? And then it took 4.5 billion years for it to expand to the size it is today?
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:26 pm to squid_hunt
quote:What does the result of the calculation have to do with how long it has been studied?
What is a century versus 13.8 billion years?
quote:Yes it is.
Especially when the conditions changed and are not reproducible? That's still not science.
By your logic we can't know anything, ever. How can we know what happened if we can't reproduce it? You are arguing that we can't determine anything using knowledge and evidence.
quote:How much are you willing to wager?
The age of the universe is about to get pushed. How do I know? Because I've seen this silliness before. Their theories have all been disproven. They'll keep them for a while until they are ready to give them up. Wthin five years, the universe will be over 20 billion years old.
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