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re: No matter what direction we point a telescope, we always look toward the Big Bang - why?

Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:50 pm to
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:50 pm to
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But what we're seeing is even physicists are abandoning their own laws to embrace theories that fit the facts.
What?
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I stayed 100% in the rational and ripped your beiief system to shreds
No you didn't.
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you understand that if the universe is bigger than 13.8 then your model is broken.
No it's not. You CLEARLY do not understand the model.
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I'm sure we'll come up with a new set of rules to hold it together, like dark matter does
It would be awesome as frick if we discover new things about the nature of the universe.
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but Korkstand already demonstrated you guys are willing to cheat to save the science.


I have done no such thing. You just don't understand what is meant by "observable universe". The universe could be infinitely large for all we know, but that doesn't change the fact that we can only see what happened 13.8 billion years ago 13.8 billion light-years away.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130289 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:51 pm to
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That's an unreasonable answer unless you are willing to say we are at the center.


Goddamn you are just unfathomably stupid. Yes I am being hostile, and I don't care.

There's no data whatsoever to support "the earth" would be "the center" of anything.

You don't understand the science of the expanding universe at all.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:52 pm to
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No, I do.
It is very obvious that you do not understand given that you're drawing the conclusion that we are at the center of the universe. We are at the center of our own observable universe. You don't seem to understand the difference or what that means.
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But I believe in God and the his word.
So the exact opposite of science, got it.
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You're the one talking about light jumping to a convenient location without cause.
No I didn't. Yet more misunderstanding on your part.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130289 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:53 pm to
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the his word


Whose word?

Can you read ancient Aramaic or Greek? What translation?

What about all the apocryphal texts? What branch of Christianity and their translation of God's word? What about God's word in Judaism?

Which God?
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:55 pm to
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Everything you have said has been total nonsense with little understanding of the actual science.

You have no understanding of your beliefs. You're just defending beliefs that will be debunked in 5 years. When you change you're mind, remember me. Because I'll be cracking up at my unscientific self somehow coming to the right conclusion.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:56 pm to
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Which God?

The God of the Bible. Read it and see. He created the world and then sent his son to redeem it from its sin and if uou accept him, he will save you.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:56 pm to
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Because the Big Bang is bull shite.

A creator is responsible for building and setting everything in motion.

I've said this many times, but how the hell was everything in the Universe condensed down into a singular point of unfathomable mass? And why did that unfathomable point of mass decide to go bang (or now you guys are saying inflated) one day?

Big Bang is a bull shite theory. The only thing that could have set the Big Bang in motion is God(the creator).


Sheesh. Talk about ending with a contradiction.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130289 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:56 pm to
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You're just defending beliefs that will be debunked in 5 years


What is your definition of debunked in regards to this, specifically?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130289 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:57 pm to
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The God of the Bible


Which Bible?

Which translation?

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Read it and see.


I've read it front to back multiple times champ. I went to 13 years of Catholic school.

I'm Catholic. Which is probably worse than Atheist to someone like you
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:57 pm to
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What is your definition of debunked in regards to this, specifically?

13.8 billion years is a dead number. It has to be because what they're now seeing doesn't make sense. A new view will be required, a much older date for the creation of the universe.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130289 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:59 pm to
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13.8 billion years is a dead number.


Why? How?

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It has to be because what they're now seeing doesn't make sense


Specifically, what?

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A new view will be required, a much older date for the creation of the universe.


That wouldn't "debunk" anything. That would just mean we have expanded our understanding based on new observable data. That's how science works.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 1:00 pm to
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13.8 billion years is a dead number. It has to be because what they're now seeing doesn't make sense.
What are they seeing?
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
5878 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 1:00 pm to
The earth's orbit is elliptical. The average is 93 million miles and 94.5 the most and 91.4. there is also a lot more going on too. The sun is eventually going to overtake the earth and then implode becoming a neutron star.
Posted by PoppaD
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
5358 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 1:00 pm to
As Terence McKenna observed, 'Modern science is based on the principle: Give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest.' The one free miracle is the appearance of all the mass and energy in the universe and all the laws that govern it in a single instant from nothing."

-- Rupert Sheldrake, Morphic Resonance: The Nature of Formative Causation

I've never read this but it sums why the Big Bang is bullshite to me.
This post was edited on 7/28/22 at 1:04 pm
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 1:00 pm to
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I'm Catholic. Which is probably worse than Atheist to someone like you

About the same if you don't pray and ask God to save you from your sins. Most Catholics don't get to the point that they realze Christ died for their sins, personally. Interesting divergence.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 1:01 pm to
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What are they seeing?

Everything I already talked about. You don't have to accept it. Just wait and see.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150145 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 1:01 pm to
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I went to 13 years of Catholic school.

I'm Catholic.
I expect to see you at this years MSB lent fish fry
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130289 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 1:04 pm to
I am Agnostic on Fridays in Lent
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130289 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 1:04 pm to
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Everything I already talked about.


Like what, specifically.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19467 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 1:05 pm to
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But what's outside the balloon????


Stop trying to give me a panic attack
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