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re: No Mask, No Care
Posted on 9/28/20 at 8:41 am to Open Your Eyes
Posted on 9/28/20 at 8:41 am to Open Your Eyes
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Also, it’s beyond hilarious to see you jump into this thread and hurl personal BS at the OP, and the cry and whine about her getting personal when she returns the favor.
You don’t know the full history between the OP and myself and the other women on here(whom I’m actually really good friends with IRL). So butt out
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 8:43 am
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 8:46 am to Salmon
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...ok?
So let mee maw watch The Price Is Right with her mask on? The rest of us should have moved on with our lives after "15 days to slow the spread"
Posted on 9/28/20 at 8:46 am to lsunurse
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You don’t know the full history between the OP and myself and the other women on here(whom I’m actually really good friends with IRL). So butt out
Happily ignorant of any of those details. I do know it has absolutely no relevance to what I stated. You started the fight and then cried when OP hit back.
It’s also interesting that a supposed medical professional wouldnt respond to any of the medical points of a post.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 8:48 am to fallguy_1978
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So let mee maw watch The Price Is Right with her mask on? The rest of us should have moved on with our lives after "15 days to slow the spread"
...why are you responding to me with this shite?
Posted on 9/28/20 at 8:56 am to fallguy_1978
It's just until we flatten the curve.
It's just until hospitalizations and deaths are down.
It's just until positive cases are down.
It's just until....
It's just until hospitalizations and deaths are down.
It's just until positive cases are down.
It's just until....
Posted on 9/28/20 at 8:56 am to twizzy
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sheep
It is just plan stupid to call someone a sheep for wearing a mask. I can call you a sheep for not wearing one. You are just buying into the other side of it.
My decision is based on logic, not being a bitch and being considerate. So if that is being a sheep.. Then I guess I am a sheep.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 8:56 am to Open Your Eyes
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What, specifically, has changed in the manufacturing of cloth masks or the knowledge of disease spread in the last 6 years that would invalidate the findings from this study?
Nothing.
What should cause concern or questions to that study is that there was no "no mask" control group.
The study admits that itself
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The study design does not allow us to determine whether medical masks had efficacy or whether cloth masks were detrimental to HCWs by causing an increase in infection risk.
The "control arm" in this study still wore medical masks around patients.
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It is also unknown whether the rates of infection observed in the cloth mask arm are the same or higher than in HCWs who do not wear a mask, as almost all participants in the control arm used a mask.
I'm sure we are going to get a lot more studies after this and we will get some good data, but I keep seeing this study pimped as the definitive study against mask use and it just isn't it. Too many unanswered variables in this study.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 8:57 am to Open Your Eyes
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It’s also interesting that a supposed medical professional wouldnt respond to any of the medical points of a post.
I did respond. But I can’t respond to all and I won’t.
Salmon brings a valid point. I can’t change their minds anyways. And it’s not my job to frankly.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 8:58 am to Salmon
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why are you responding to me with this shite?
You ask this then follow up with the next posts you made
Posted on 9/28/20 at 8:59 am to SDVTiger
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You ask this then follow up with the next posts you made
...yes?
what, exactly, are you confused about?
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:03 am to fallguy_1978
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:07 am to SDVTiger
It is spread by spit particles. If you have something over your mouth when you are talking or anything else you open your mouth for (except eating for obvious reasons) the mask serves as a filter.
How hard is that to understand? It might now stop all the particles, but it can slow the travel of the particles that get out. Kind of like a bullet. If it goes threw something before it hits its target it will be slowed down and not hit the person who is targeted.
How hard is that to understand? It might now stop all the particles, but it can slow the travel of the particles that get out. Kind of like a bullet. If it goes threw something before it hits its target it will be slowed down and not hit the person who is targeted.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:10 am to lsunurse
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there is not 100% protection that you won’t get sick.
There is little to no evidence that masks, particularly cloth masks, reduce infection. The WHO acknowledged as much in their Pandemic Flu publication that came out October 2019, which is a document that they went back and edited to make it more in line with current attitudes on masks (changed to make masks look more positive (changed evidence from "low/very low" to "moderate" while still saying it doesn't reduce transmission)).
They can show all day, in some single instance experiment (meaning nothing long-term testing hours of wear), where a mask collects droplets or something directly in front of the mask. This is only the PRESUMED mechanism of transmission. Clearly whatever is leaking out the sides is enough to cause infections.
They can construct model after model with masks as a variable to "show" or "predict" that mask use would have or would save XXXX many lives. It's all bullshite, especially when they never adjust their algorithm to reflect what we've actually seen in reality. "All models are wrong, but some are useful."
Reality has shown us that mask use has had no effect on epidemic curves, when looking at similar areas and the timing of their mandates, despite what retroactive models have been used to tell us.
Not wearing a mask has become an actual crime and a societal sin in many places based on little to no empirical evidence. Do you have no problem with that?
It is all superstitious and religious belief at this point.
We're worried about counting cases of people with zero symptoms using a far too sensitive test in ways it wasn't designed to work (PCR). Matching death certificates to folks that have had a positive PCR test in some time span before death, sometimes as many as 60 days prior, and calling it a SARS 2.0 death. Do we do that with any other disease?
The fact that there is little to no room for scientific, social, or political dissent on this issue should frighten everyone. There are actual calls to censor scientific discourse if it's against what the "consensus" says for fears it will harm the public. Science is not meant to only have a SINGLE message.
Things that we knew, via science (including ignoring that Imperial College guy that is always really wrong with the doom and gloom model), have been abandoned for this thing. Why?
Science was built on arguing and checking each other to make sure what you're saying is correct. It's been co-opted, mostly by one side of the political spectrum, as a tool to justify their attempts at societal control.
As a scientist, what has been done with science in this whole fiasco disturbs and disappoints me.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:10 am to Salmon
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What should cause concern or questions to that study is that there was no "no mask" control group.
Why? That’s clearly not the stated purpose of the study.
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The study admits that itself
“The aim of this study was to compare the efficacy of cloth masks to medical masks in hospital healthcare workers (HCWs). The null hypothesis is that there is no difference between medical masks and cloth masks.”
This is what the study admits. Under the ‘Objective’ heading in literally the first sentence on the page.
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I'm sure we are going to get a lot more studies after this and we will get some good data, but I keep seeing this study pimped as the definitive study against mask use and it just isn't it. Too many unanswered variables in this study.
The study is used to show that the mask mandates are not about actual protection. If they were, they would not allow cloth masks that have been demonstrated to make the people wearing them more sick than other mask types. We can also throw in the other study recently that shows the neck gaiter “masks” actually create more virus particles than no mask at all.
If the mask mandates were truly based on science and medicine neither of those types would be allowed. Instead, cloth masks are what a very large, if not majority, portion of people are wearing.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:11 am to lsunurse
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I did respond.
No, you didn’t.
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But I can’t respond to all and I won’t
Based on your constant fear mongering this is undoubtedly a good thing.
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I can’t change their minds anyways. And it’s not my job to frankly.
Hasn’t stopped you from trying in the past. How many weeks were the hospitals in Arizona starting to get overrun again?
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 9:14 am
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:12 am to OweO
quote:Probably as hard as it is to understand that a dirty mask fully of spit that people constantly touch isn't some efficient method for maintaining good health.
It is spread by spit particles. If you have something over your mouth when you are talking or anything else you open your mouth for (except eating for obvious reasons) the mask serves as a filter.
How hard is that to understand?
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:12 am to liz18lsu
Such a bad arse. Why is it such a big deal to put it on?
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:16 am to Sasquatch Smash
The easiest way to show masks don’t work is nursing homes continually having new cases while being closed to visitors
6+ months of no one but staff allowed in (staff that gets tested twice a week) yet there are still new cases popping up
It could be that staff is not wearing proper PPE & following CDC guidelines or it could be false positives in residents or it could be false negatives in staff
No matter what it is the point is there are ways to protect others but still have our freedoms
Go after the ones who took away those freedoms, sign the recall, social distance & wash your hands
6+ months of no one but staff allowed in (staff that gets tested twice a week) yet there are still new cases popping up
It could be that staff is not wearing proper PPE & following CDC guidelines or it could be false positives in residents or it could be false negatives in staff
No matter what it is the point is there are ways to protect others but still have our freedoms
Go after the ones who took away those freedoms, sign the recall, social distance & wash your hands
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:18 am to Open Your Eyes
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Why? That’s clearly not the stated purpose of the study.
because without the "no mask" control, they cannot definitely say that the cloth mask increases infections rates
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This is what the study admits. Under the ‘Objective’ heading in literally the first sentence on the page.
I'm aware. But the study is not being used to say there is a difference between cloth masks and medical masks. It is being used to say that cloth masks increase infections rates. That cannot be determined with this study.
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The study is used to show that the mask mandates are not about actual protection. If they were, they would not allow cloth masks that have been demonstrated to make the people wearing them more sick than other mask types. We can also throw in the other study recently that shows the neck gaiter “masks” actually create more virus particles than no mask at all.
Again, with no "no mask" control, you can't really determine this, can you?
If the government were to mandate mask type, they would have to provide the masks.
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If the mask mandates were truly based on science and medicine neither of those types would be allowed.
Yeah, no shite. There are all kinds other socioeconomical variables to consider here as well.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 9:19 am to bigberg2000
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Why is it such a big deal to put it on?
Because it’s useless and she doesn’t want to?
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