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re: Nigerian novelist loses out on $2M deal due to suspicions over the use of AI...
Posted on 8/4/26 at 10:45 pm to TheOcean
Posted on 8/4/26 at 10:45 pm to TheOcean
Yeah. I get why a professor wouldn’t accept this for a class assignment, but actually getting a book published is supposed to solely be about whether the book sells copies and makes money.
Posted on 8/5/26 at 6:17 am to Chicken
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I would not want to read an AI book...
Whats crazy, is that books written over 100 years ago are being flagged for AI...
Posted on 8/5/26 at 6:29 am to RollTide1987
2 years until the book is released? Why does it take so long? And who cares if Ai is used?
Posted on 8/5/26 at 6:44 am to Chicken
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would not want to read an AI book...
Makes no sense. Your gonna pick up a fiction book, that you know isnt a real story, but yet wouldn't read it because a fictional person wrote it?
AI obviously is everywhere, advertising, marketing, investing, manufacturing, etc ..wierd line to draw.
I'm interested in knowing how they validate the book, after the fact, and claim its AI. Ironically, I bet they used AI to help
Posted on 8/5/26 at 6:52 am to TigerHornII
quote:That isn’t even a good comparison at all.
refusing to read or listen to AI entertainment now is the equivalent of refusing to read a book written on a word processor instead of a typewriter in 1988.
The word processor doesn’t write the story for you.
Pretty much all of humanity can come up with a “general” outline of a story, like your long form AI prompts.
The difference is that a writer can expand that idea.
This post was edited on 8/5/26 at 6:53 am
Posted on 8/5/26 at 6:54 am to UFFan
quote:Justify why you care in one instance, but not the other.
I get why a professor wouldn’t accept this for a class assignment
Why would it matter in class?
Posted on 8/5/26 at 7:44 am to Scruffy
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refusing to read or listen to AI entertainment now is the equivalent of refusing to read a book written on a word processor instead of a typewriter in 1988.
That isn’t even a good comparison at all.
The word processor doesn’t write the story for you.
Pretty much all of humanity can come up with a “general” outline of a story, like your long form AI prompts.
The difference is that a writer can expand that idea.
Sorry Scruffy, you're way off here. The creativity comes in writing the prompt and then editing/massaging the output. If you don't have the spark of creativity or the domain knowledge to start with, then you won't get good output. Garbage In, Garbage Out, just like any other computer tool.
AIs are NOT creative. They only know what they know. Their training datasets are so large though that humans have the illusion that they are being creative because the AI is pulling from sources you've never seen before, and combining sources as well.
To greatly oversimplify this, if you tell an AI "Write me a fiction book on X", it will do two things:
1. Search for internet sources on X
2. Use its mathematical relationships from its training dataset that may well have included a book on X, but NOT the actual book on X.
The output is then the mashup of what it found on X (and you can tell it not to search the internet too) plus the output of its equations related to X. Your first round of output is going to be hot garbage unless you put a lot of work into the prompt and know what you are doing.
Try it yourself sometime. See how much effort it takes to get AI to write a good short story, say 2k words.
Posted on 8/5/26 at 7:46 am to Crowknowsbest
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I have no interest in reading a non-human literary creation, no matter how long the prompt took to write.
You miss the point. The prompt is the human creation. It's the seed, without it, the AI can produce nothing.
Posted on 8/5/26 at 7:50 am to RollTide1987
This same book will appear on shelves in Europe in the coming years with a white person's name on it.
Posted on 8/5/26 at 7:51 am to TheOcean
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who cares if it is AI?
People who care about originality.
Posted on 8/5/26 at 7:53 am to TheOcean
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who cares if it is AI?
I care. Quite a lot.
Posted on 8/5/26 at 7:56 am to TheOcean
I don’t want to read an AI book, watch an AI movie, or listen to an AI song.
Posted on 8/5/26 at 7:59 am to ChatGPT of LA
quote:Did you really think this was a good analogy?
Your gonna pick up a fiction book, that you know isnt a real story, but yet wouldn't read it because a fictional person wrote it?
Posted on 8/5/26 at 7:59 am to TigerHornII
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You miss the point. The prompt is the human creation. It's the seed, without it, the AI can produce nothing.
And what if AI is using prompts/content that it has collected from the internet (or other scanned databases) and that original human gets no credit?
I’m not exactly down for fricking over the original, human writer.
Posted on 8/5/26 at 8:01 am to TigerHornII
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AIs are NOT creative. They only know what they know. Their training datasets are so large though that humans have the illusion that they are being creative because the AI is pulling from sources you've never seen before, and combining sources as well.
Correct. AI can only replicate. Which is why people so strongly oppose the use of AI in creative spaces.
It is not creating. And your prompt telling it to replicate is also not creating. You are simply telling it what you want it to replicate.
This post was edited on 8/5/26 at 8:06 am
Posted on 8/5/26 at 8:07 am to Salmon
quote:This.
It is not creating. And your prompt telling it to replicate is also not creating. You are simply telling it what you want it to replicate.
It isn’t creation. Even if you edit it over time, it is still a replication.
This post was edited on 8/5/26 at 8:14 am
Posted on 8/5/26 at 8:24 am to Scruffy
There is fiction.
Then there is fiction inspired by life: Jerzy Kosinski had several best sellers and when I read about his life I saw where his "fiction" came from.
Victor Hugo wrote a novella "The Last Day of a Condemned Man" . He was against the death penalty, He intentionally omitted a chapter that would have described what the crime was, but most of the book has to have had groundings in real life going on in France.
Which brings up: Can AI translate books with the same feel as the author had?
Then there is fiction inspired by life: Jerzy Kosinski had several best sellers and when I read about his life I saw where his "fiction" came from.
Victor Hugo wrote a novella "The Last Day of a Condemned Man" . He was against the death penalty, He intentionally omitted a chapter that would have described what the crime was, but most of the book has to have had groundings in real life going on in France.
Which brings up: Can AI translate books with the same feel as the author had?
Posted on 8/5/26 at 8:37 am to Scruffy
Class is at least in theory supposed to be about improving your writing skills rather than making money. Publishing a book on the other hand is just supposed to be about making money.
Posted on 8/5/26 at 8:43 am to TheWalrus
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I use AI to help in my writing. There is still a lot of work to feed it the right prompts
I use AI as well, but let’s be serious
Posted on 8/5/26 at 10:12 am to icecreamsnowball
Still do.
If reading is your thing, not reading a great book because of AI is absurd...but whatever
If reading is your thing, not reading a great book because of AI is absurd...but whatever
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