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re: New Yorker Article: Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College

Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:57 am to
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:57 am to
I would get “extra help” in classes not pertinent to my major. I was there for my major and a non traditional student. I was trying to get through the other classes with As, not learn the material.

For accounting I studied hard and learned as much as I possibly could. It has come in handy.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
15803 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:57 am to
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What this country needs is even less people knowing how to write. People are already retarded. Now people will go K-12 through college without ever having to write a paper.



And they cant write or read cursive.

We are doomed as a society.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
9213 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:02 pm to
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Honestly, it comes up with better questions than his teachers. It also give me an idea if he's ready for his tests or not.


I know quite a lot of teachers that are using chatgpt for the same purpose. And that's actually a great use for it both ways. You could also upload any notes slides and do the same thing having it make questions from the slides.

I haven't really fiddled with it much yet since I'd already made almost everything I need over the past decade+, but it would be a significant time saver for making new stuff.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
18673 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:15 pm to
Why wouldn’t a student use it?

Multiple classes in all degree programs are pointless and crap you just have to take for the sake of the class list
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7267 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:21 pm to
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What this country needs is even less people knowing how to write. People are already retarded. Now people will go K-12 through college without ever having to write a paper.


How often do you write papers now? Do you think you are smarter than kids graduating now? High School seniors today can run laps around you.

While you whine about cursive, they are writing code. While you whine about term papers, they are creating fully edited video productions. When you whine about calculators, they are building robots and drones.

I have kids involved in some pretty cool shite, and I see a lot of really smart kids daily. I know a kid with a satellite (cube sat) in space. What do you have?
Posted by WestBay
Member since Jul 2023
316 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:25 pm to
AI will get most people to hand over their humanity happily and willingly for a life completely devoid of responsibility or struggle.
Posted by icecreamsnowball
Member since Mar 2025
223 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:28 pm to
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With all due respect, I cheated the frick my way through undergrad and I was gone by 2009.


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AbitaFan08


This makes a lot of sense
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104360 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:33 pm to
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I took the same classes dumbass, you can’t make shite up
Ok

Then tell me how you cheat in a 15 person cost accounting class where only grades are in person tests

It’s not some ethical thing. Certain majors/classes make cheating more possible. Others make it not so
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 12:35 pm
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
104056 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:34 pm to
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How often do you write papers now? Do you think you are smarter than kids graduating now? High School seniors today can run laps around you.

While you whine about cursive, they are writing code. While you whine about term papers, they are creating fully edited video productions. When you whine about calculators, they are building robots and drones.

I have kids involved in some pretty cool shite, and I see a lot of really smart kids daily. I know a kid with a satellite (cube sat) in space. What do you have?


I have the social skills to be able to interact with the public on a daily basis without having a full on meltdown. I can present a case in a case consultation setting without losing my shite if a coworker suggests an intervention I didn't think of. I can sit with a client that is overwhelmed with emotion and not "freak out" over it.

Yes, some of those kids may have a wider depth of knowledge in certain fields but do you know where they're lacking right now? Basic social interactions. Front facing skills in interacting with the public. Emotional intelligence.

I supervise interns, I literally had to sit in with an intern (in a Masters Counseling program) and help them contact different facilites to coordinate wrap around services for a client. It was like pulling teeth. And then they cried because they felt I was "too harsh" on them for making them do it.

There's a trade off with relying on something like AI for everything, including your social interactions, which ALOT of young people do these days.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
92580 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:35 pm to
The technology is evolving fairly rapidly. I had an experience with ChatGPT a couple of months back where it offered - basically goaded me to give it the okay to draft a white paper on a topic we were discussing.

It was a little exhilarating and more than a bit scary. I didn't do it, of course, but imagine if I was still doing that sort of writing for education or money?
Posted by Tarpon08
Cut Off, LA
Member since Dec 2014
6439 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:40 pm to
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frick a cheater. Its theft.


How can it be theft if you're paying 5-6 figures for it?
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
907 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:41 pm to
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Wrote formulas on my thighs a couple of times and wore shorts.


Inside of my calculator cover was always covered with formulas


You LSU people are so backwards. At Auburn, we programmed the formulas right into the calculators.

And in the process of you writing down those formulas, and me programming them, we learned the damned formulas anyway, which was the goal all along.......
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
86844 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:45 pm to
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You LSU people are so backwards. At Auburn, we programmed the formulas right into the calculators.



We couldn't used programmable calcs for testing

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And in the process of you writing down those formulas, and me programming them, we learned the damned formulas anyway, which was the goal all along.......


but yea this too
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7267 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:46 pm to
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AI will get most people to hand over their humanity happily and willingly for a life completely devoid of responsibility or struggle.


Dude, you use AI very differently than how I like to use it.

- it is a far better search tool than google ever was. You can be conversational with it and get great answers from anything you can image. It helped me pick a rod and reel combo for my kid based on where we fish, when we fish, etc.

- I can ground it with my company's brand guide and basic information. I can then ask it to provide things to me formatted in a way that is optimized for the specific need. Something that would take days takes minutes.

- Can ask it conversationally to provide ad hoc analyses such as "how did the margin at xyz retailer look this year compared to last" "can you point out any anomalies in the past few years that can help us to improve"

- I can create presentations and documents using bullet points and key topics instead of spending hours on it.

- it can record presentations at conferences and provide a summary and action items. (life saver)

Just think about it automating crap you could do anyway, but faster. You have the final say. You can edit the copy and check the math, but you don't have to do all the heavy lifting. It's like saying you prefer a hammer over a nailgun just because that's they way it always has been.

There's more to humanity than organizing words on paper. Sorry.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
30542 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:48 pm to
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Then tell me how you cheat in a 15 person cost accounting class where only grades are in person tests


The cost accounting class at LSU isn’t 15 people and the only grades aren’t in person tests
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
9639 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:50 pm to
Honestly I don’t see what’s wrong with using the day’s technology to work smarter. We do it in the real world.

It’s like not being allowed to use a calculator in math.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 12:51 pm
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
907 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:50 pm to
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How often do you write papers now? Do you think you are smarter than kids graduating now? High School seniors today can run laps around you.

While you whine about cursive, they are writing code. While you whine about term papers, they are creating fully edited video productions. When you whine about calculators, they are building robots and drones.

I have kids involved in some pretty cool shite, and I see a lot of really smart kids daily. I know a kid with a satellite (cube sat) in space. What do you have?


Yet somehow standardized tests of every stripe have had to be repeatedly dumbed down, and students still keep doing worse on average.

A fully edited video production is nothing more than a story in video form. If you can't write a term paper - the story - then how can you do a compelling job on the video?

The elite kids have more opportunities than ever today, you're right about that. But as another poster has pointed out, they are also more fragile than ever too. This is a two decade long trend at that.
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
4946 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:50 pm to
Pathetic. A nation of indolent, dishonest, ignorant dimwits who will be forced to rely on technology to think for them. Perfect puppets, easy to manipulate, lacking any independent judgment.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
30542 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:51 pm to
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How often do you write papers now?


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by concrete_tiger


I can only assume you are an hourly laborer if you don’t write as part of your job
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104360 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:51 pm to
20 people? 25? And what else besides tests were ever graded?
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