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re: New York police department is confiscating legal guns from MC members

Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:09 pm to
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:09 pm to
What societal norms do they kind of skirt past?

Not killing?
Not selling drugs?
Not fighting?
Not laundering money?
Not committing arson?
Not extorting people?

If they only have 250 members then how many of them have never committed a crime?
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18704 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:09 pm to
quote:

A 1%er is someone who decides to live outside societal norms which includes living by their own sense of right and wrong.


That's cool! Since we're living outside of societal norms and living by our own senses of right and wrong, I guess the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply so I'm not too upset by the op.

Or are you saying you want to selectively apply the rules of society when it benefits the motorcycle club and discard them when it doesn't?
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
21816 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:11 pm to
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1%er =/= criminal. This guy had no criminal record nor had he been charged with or suspected in any crime.


Sounds like he is not doing it right or that he is a really good criminal.
Posted by Swoopin
Member since Jun 2011
22046 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:13 pm to
quote:

1%ers are sort of like hippies without the granola, flowers, and Berkenstocks.



shite, that's three strikes. Doesn't sound like a hippie at all.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74667 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:16 pm to
I knew I was wasting my time with you. Oh well. I tried. When the cops take the precedent that is being set here and decide that you need to come down to the station to hand in your guns and permit don't say a word.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18704 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:22 pm to
quote:


I knew I was wasting my time with you. Oh well. I tried. When the cops take the precedent that is being set here and decide that you need to come down to the station to hand in your guns and permit don't say a word.


"First they came for the criminal biker gangs, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a criminal biker gangster."



Nice. Has a good ring to it.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74667 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:27 pm to
quote:

"First they came for the criminal biker gangs, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a criminal biker gangster."



Nice. Has a good ring to it.



All it takes is for you to belong to an organization that the powers that be deem "dangerous". Could be anything from your political affiliations to being a member of the local gun club.

Either way, if this stands then it means the government can confiscate your firearms and take your right to even possess a firearm without you ever having committed a crime.
Posted by randybobandy
NOLA
Member since Mar 2015
2201 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:28 pm to
Maybe the dirty hippie should have showered,shaved and gotten a haircut before going to the station.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
159495 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:28 pm to
Aren't the Pagans dangerous?

A quick google search indicates that they are quite violent.

Also, do you have a working link now? How about the arrest report as well? Anything but a motorcyle gang website will work for me.
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 4:30 pm
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44842 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:30 pm to
That's what instantly popped into my head.
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
34835 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:31 pm to
Why didn't they put these guys on it....

Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
38241 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:31 pm to
probably should just lock them (Pagans) all up. save the time and trouble.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
159495 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:31 pm to
It would make us Hell's Angels lives a lot easier. Those Pagan nerds are annoying as all get out. They don't return their library books on time and that pisses us off.
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 4:33 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74667 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:32 pm to
quote:

Aren't the Pagans dangerous?



I wouldn't advise crossing them.

quote:

A quick google search indicates that they are quite violent.


The criminal actions of other guys should have no bearing on someone else, especially when that person has not committed any crime. Hell, a quick Google search will indicate there are tons of cops who are violent and commit all sorts of crimes. Should we assume all cops are violent criminals?
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 4:33 pm
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:33 pm to
quote:

When the cops take the precedent that is being set here and decide that you need to come down to the station to hand in your guns and permit don't say a word.


I'm surprised he went to the station, but I'm shocked he brought all of his guns with him. That was stupid.

Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
79881 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:33 pm to
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nor is accused or even suspected of any crime simply because they belong to a gang?


Yes. And I am very pro 2nd amendment
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
159495 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:34 pm to
This one just hasn't been caught yet unless you are saying he just reads the bingo balls into the microphone during their meetings.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18704 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:35 pm to
In all honesty, no, of course I don't want the police confiscating guns from people who haven't been convicted of a crime in a court of law. I believe in the 2nd Amendment.

In exchange for my above honesty, please explain to me this: why should people who claim that they live in a realm outside the societal norms, including the legal system (self-admitted by using the terms "outlaw" and "one-percenter") get sympathy from me when the rules of society are violated against their favor?


Should it happen? No, people have rights including the right to bear arms. But I just can't help but laugh when it happens to people who claim the law doesn't apply to them.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
Premium Member
Member since Aug 2007
46883 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:36 pm to
Good for the SCPD, trying to stop another Waco.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74667 posts
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:37 pm to
So now we deny people their constitutional rights just because you think they may commit a crime later on? Would you support doing this to cops since so many of them commit crimes as well?
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