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re: New Toyota Tundras only have V6 engines now? Tacomas only have 4 cyclinders?
Posted on 1/6/25 at 7:43 am to Reservoir dawg
Posted on 1/6/25 at 7:43 am to Reservoir dawg
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The new frickin Land Cruiser only has a 4cyl
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...and they want 65k for it lol
That is true...but my '03 LX470 listed for around $63k (I still have the window sticker), and that was 22 years ago.
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Posted on 1/6/25 at 8:21 am to madmaxvol
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Toyota needs to go back to the Straight 6 for Land Cruisers.
They can’t. The 1FZ was phased out of the US market about 25 years ago because of EPA regulations. I’m sure Toyota would love to still be making and using this motor, but they aren’t legally allowed to put it in cars anymore.
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Make the old school 4.7 again, and make it an upgrade for the Lexus Version.
They can’t. The 2UZ was phased out of the US market about 15 years ago because of EPA regulations. I’m sure Toyota would love to still be making and using this motor, but they aren’t legally allowed to put it in cars anymore.
That’s pretty much the only reason any of this happens. You can bet your bottom dollar GM would still produce the 350 V8 and put it in every truck/SUV if they could, but they just can’t. It is what it is.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 8:22 am to Darth_Vader
Does anyone understand how long turbos have been a thing? Just like anything else, if well built and maintained they last hundreds of thousands of miles.
I have had several with over 300K miles, zero issues.
Granted it will be just like everything else, if it's junk it's junk.
I have had several with over 300K miles, zero issues.
Granted it will be just like everything else, if it's junk it's junk.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 8:26 am to philly444
Thanks Biden!
Also, that's why I stopped looking at Toyota when shopping for a new truck. Wanted the 8cyl Tundra.
Also, that's why I stopped looking at Toyota when shopping for a new truck. Wanted the 8cyl Tundra.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 8:28 am to Fachie
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Does anyone understand how long turbos have been a thing? Just like anything else, if well built and maintained they last hundreds of thousands of miles.
Do you understand turbo can and do fail? This is especially true when we’re talking about first generation models. Do you understand what happens when a turbo compressor wheel comes apart? Where do those little pieces of hardened steel go and what’s the outcome?
Turbos are fine in applications where needed. They’re great. But as is the case with everything, it’s a trade off. All this turbo on the V6 engines are really doing is allowing these engines to do what a V8 can do without them. But this comes with the additional maintenance, cost, and potential for failure that comes with a turbo. You have to understand what can come with having a turbo.
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Granted it will be just like everything else, if it's junk it's junk.
And if it’s junk, a turbo will take out your entire engine when it fails.
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 9:08 am
Posted on 1/6/25 at 8:30 am to philly444
The government has successfully confined the ICE market to being almost entirely focused on emission compliance. Almost no real innovation is happening to vehicles now outside of electrics, which are currently free to be as inefficient as they want or need to be with energy .
Look at a new Tacoma or Tundra. Ask yourself what is in there for the consumer that makes those products better than the ones that were made 5 years ago to command such a higher price.
The answer is: very little. You are paying more upfront and more in maintenance for emissions technology, smaller turbo engines, 10 speed transmissions, and lighter materials….but that’s not what consumers wanted. That’s what the government wanted.
Everyone has to comply with emissions, but Toyota didn’t do a good job giving their existing customers reasons to trade up into a newer version of what they already have. That’s why the V8 Tundras and the V6 4Runners are super hot commodities now on the used market. The new ones just aren’t really better - just more complicated and more costly.
Look at a new Tacoma or Tundra. Ask yourself what is in there for the consumer that makes those products better than the ones that were made 5 years ago to command such a higher price.
The answer is: very little. You are paying more upfront and more in maintenance for emissions technology, smaller turbo engines, 10 speed transmissions, and lighter materials….but that’s not what consumers wanted. That’s what the government wanted.
Everyone has to comply with emissions, but Toyota didn’t do a good job giving their existing customers reasons to trade up into a newer version of what they already have. That’s why the V8 Tundras and the V6 4Runners are super hot commodities now on the used market. The new ones just aren’t really better - just more complicated and more costly.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 8:34 am to philly444
I just bought a 2024 Tacoma and I love it. It has enough pick up for me but I am also not planning on hauling anything.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 8:38 am to suavecito80
They still make them with manuals?
Posted on 1/6/25 at 8:39 am to lowhound
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Also, that's why I stopped looking at Toyota when shopping for a new truck. Wanted the 8cyl Tundra.
The new turbo Toyotas are reliability nightmares. It’s not limited to the models and model years they recalled. And unfortunately it’s not limited to engines either. Even if you luck out and get one that doesn’t have an early failure, you run the risk of a major engine-out turbo replacement later in the vehicles life. That’s complicated by the stupid placement of the turbochargers and the fact that there are two of them with two separate failure points.
I am a Toyota truck owner and I love my vehicle. But when you realize that the new ones aren’t any more reliable (and may be less so) than their competitors….the design shortcomings of their products become big problems that can’t be overlooked especially when you take their growing prices and limited dealer network into account.
The new Sequoia is a legit fumble - likely worst in class now that the Nissan has been redesigned. The new Land Cruiser’s market position and powertrain configuration makes no sense. The new Tacoma is okay - but that’s not good enough for the price they are charging over the older models. The new Tundra doesn’t offer enough to justify trading in an older V8 Tundra. The Grand Highlander is a great product but they should have come out with it 5-6 years ago.
Toyota isn’t the only one making stupid decisions. But they are the worst mainstream offender when it comes to redesigning perfectly good products in ways that seem far more compliance driven than consumer driven. They have solid hybrid powertrains and can easily dominate if they sweated the small stuff a little more.
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 8:44 am
Posted on 1/6/25 at 8:42 am to Gaston
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They still make them with manuals?
I’m fairly certain the Tacoma is the ONLY brand-new pickup truck you can buy in the USA with a manual transmission.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 8:44 am to Them
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I’m fairly certain the Tacoma is the ONLY brand-new pickup truck you can buy in the USA with a manual transmission.
I thought Jeep offered one but I could be wrong.
The manual is a huge selling point for the Tacoma for me. But most people don’t care about that.
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 8:45 am
Posted on 1/6/25 at 8:50 am to dewster
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I am a Toyota truck owner and I love my vehicle. But when you realize that the new ones aren’t any more reliable (and may be less so) than their competitors….the design shortcomings of their products become big problems that can’t be overlooked especially when you take their growing prices and limited dealer network into account.
This is spot on.
The old Tundra was, objectively and subjectively, far behind every other half-ton pickup in comfort, refinement, features and fuel economy, but people still lined up to buy them because of the obvious and proven durability and reliability. They knew they were buying a 15-25-year vehicle.
But now? If the durability and reliability is a question mark, you’re left with a truck that is now nicer, but still objectively behind everything else in terms of the qualities I’ve already mentioned, plus it’s not significantly cheaper than any of them, so what’s the point?
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 8:51 am
Posted on 1/6/25 at 8:51 am to dewster
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I thought Jeep offered one but I could be wrong.
Unfortunately they killed it in the Gladiator for MY2025
Posted on 1/6/25 at 8:54 am to Them
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This is spot on.
The old Tundra was, objectively and subjectively, far behind every other half-ton pickup in comfort, refinement, features and fuel economy, but people still lined up to buy them because of the obvious and proven durability and reliability. They knew they were buying a 15-25-year vehicle.
But now? If the durability and reliability is a question mark, you’re left with a truck that is now nicer, but still objectively behind everything else in terms of the qualities I’ve already mentioned, plus it’s not significantly cheaper than any of them, so what’s the point?
I am a tundra fan, but you are right. I bought a 21 when the 22 was announced to not have the V8. I simply wanted the V8 and the reliability that that generation of truck brings, and I have it.
I will not consider another Tundra till about 3 years pass from all these issues. I'm amazed that Toyota did this to themselves. Their entire reputation is on reliability, and they pissed a lot of that away. And it's not just the engine issues, but the breaking plastic on the seats, bad seals on the windows, etc. Litttle stuff that they never had issues with in the past. It's pretty disappointing. They have a lot of work to do to get people's trust back. With that said, their sales are the highest they have ever been, so people still trust them.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:01 am to Swamp Frog x
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I guess you could question reliability but it’s Toyota.
They had some recalls and a stop-sell on the Lexus GX because the engines were nuking themselves. They just recently discovered the cause which was shavings from the machining process were left in some of the blocks produced.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:02 am to kywildcatfanone
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I am a tundra fan, but you are right. I bought a 21 when the 22 was announced to not have the V8. I simply wanted the V8 and the reliability that that generation of truck brings, and I have it.
You want to sell the 21? I’m interested if it’s a Crewmax 4x4.
Same issues with the Tacoma. The dealers are swimming with them. I think the new 4Runner will be in the same boat. Not enough good reasons to trade an old one for a new one, and they start looking less like Toyotas should look when you realize that they are just not as reliable as they used to be.
Maybe it’s just me but Toyota is working super slowly to correct the issues too. The turbo Tundra has been on sale for almost 5 years now and new ones are still having issues. There are at least 400,000 of them out there now….and they are ticking time bombs that will damage Toyotas reputation a little more when they grenade.
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 9:13 am
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:08 am to philly444
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Since when did Toyota start doing this?
CAFE standards forced all this move to downsize (and turbocharge) engines at least down 1 class (turbo V6s are being asked to do the work of a V8, turbo 4s, the work of a V6, etc.)
Now - with a couple of exceptions (i.e. diesel applications), turbocharging is a race technology, generally combined with lowering weight to meet displacement restrictions for a racing class or otherwise. It is inherently more complicated and almost always less reliable than normally aspirated engines. There are other negatives associated with turbocharging (turbo "lag") and so forth.
I am not completely anti-turbo. Certainly there have been some marvelous pieces of engineering that just happen to be turbocharged engines.
It's just that Toyota/Lexus had 4 or 5 solid, almost bulletproof powerplants that they used in virtually all of their products. This bullshite, "green" movement has taken these from them in the North American market and now the company with the best reputation for reliability, going back almost 50 years, has just had to replace over 100k of these high-end, turbo V6s (being made to do the work of a very, very competent V8 it replaced), just as one example.
(ETA: I'm not completely excusing Toyota management - they used to make Tacomas in Texas and now they've moved most/all of that to Mexico. I suspect Tundras will be made there at some point, if not already.)
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 9:10 am
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:10 am to Ace Midnight
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CAFE standards forced all this move to downsize
I didn’t vote for this. I don’t think the legislature did either.
And it definitely impacts costs or car ownership when all the turbos and the cylinder deactivation hardware is added…and eventually need to be repaired.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:18 am to kywildcatfanone
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I will not consider another Tundra till about 3 years pass from all these issues. I'm amazed that Toyota did this to themselves. Their entire reputation is on reliability, and they pissed a lot of that away. And it's not just the engine issues, but the breaking plastic on the seats, bad seals on the windows, etc. Litttle stuff that they never had issues with in the past. It's pretty disappointing. They have a lot of work to do to get people's trust back. With that said, their sales are the highest they have ever been, so people still trust them.
They are still having issues even on the 2024 or 2025 models. I don’t think they have a good grasp of the real problem, which is concerning. And it isn’t limited to a single plant - I know Toyota is very process driven but I’m still not convinced that there isn’t a design issue somewhere.
Some irony. A buddy of mine with a 2022 model has had issues with everything but the engine - and the engine is what is being replaced. He hates that truck.
I can’t believe I will say this but I would probably get the 2.7L turbos from GMC, Chevrolet, or Ford before I get a turbo from Toyota right now.
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 9:20 am
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:20 am to dewster
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You want to sell the 21? I’m interested if it’s a Crewmax 4x4.
I doubt you would want to pay me what I want for it.
It's a 21 4x4 crewcab limited, magnetic grey with nightshade. Just passed 16K miles. I had it serviced at the dealership last month. As I was leaving, the service manager told me I should never sell it.
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