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re: New study on monkeys using stone tools raises questions about evolution
Posted on 3/12/23 at 12:48 pm to sabbertooth
Posted on 3/12/23 at 12:48 pm to sabbertooth
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The real issue is progressing these tools to the succeeding levels of refinement. I don’t think monkeys have done that.
Not monkeys, but orangutans have learned to fish with poles. Saw it on the discovery channel a while back.
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Posted on 3/12/23 at 1:02 pm to Northwestern tiger
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The Thai monkeys produced stone artifacts “indistinguishable from what we see at the beginning of the [human] archeological record
Kill them now.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 1:32 pm to Northwestern tiger
How does the discovery that monkeys make simple stone tools today, disprove the theory that early humans made simply stone tools long ago?
It's possible early monkeys made those tools, and it's possible early humans did too. We don't know who made them. If it was monkeys, then they haven't progressed much at all.
It's possible early monkeys made those tools, and it's possible early humans did too. We don't know who made them. If it was monkeys, then they haven't progressed much at all.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 1:46 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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How does stone tool usage by monkeys millions of years after humans prove evolution wrong? How does it throw a wrench in the theory?
it doesn't at all. just having that headline tells me this article is probably bullshite
Posted on 3/12/23 at 1:48 pm to Northwestern tiger
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Posted on 3/12/23 at 1:53 pm to Northwestern tiger
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Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:52 pm to Lockdnlded
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New study on monkeys using stone tools raises questions about evolution
No it doesn't
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:04 pm to kywildcatfanone
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evolution
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it’s a false narrative.
Yep
.... do you mean evolution as a means to explain the creation of man? Embryonic evolution is false? Certainly debatable, but the evolution of a species is certainly not a false narrative. For example, humans are taller than they were in the past - Evolution. Human's jaw bones are smaller and weaker - Evolution. Humans feet are not as flat - Evolution. Etc, etc.
evolution
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it’s a false narrative.
Yep
.... do you mean evolution as a means to explain the creation of man? Embryonic evolution is false? Certainly debatable, but the evolution of a species is certainly not a false narrative. For example, humans are taller than they were in the past - Evolution. Human's jaw bones are smaller and weaker - Evolution. Humans feet are not as flat - Evolution. Etc, etc.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:13 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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How does stone tool usage by monkeys millions of years after humans prove evolution wrong? How does it throw a wrench in the theory?
It doesn't prove evolution wrong, it just means that the earliest "tools" in the fossil record may not have been made by humans at all.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:17 pm to AUstar
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It doesn't prove evolution wrong, it just means that the earliest "tools" in the fossil record may not have been made by humans at all.
There are tons of studies published in a high impact journals that based their findings on these so called “tools” to advance and bring those evolutionary concepts forth.
This latest study tells you many of previously published findings might very well based on a false premise.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:31 pm to athenslife101
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The biological advantage that humans have that other animals don’t and why we’ve been able to put on the veneer of civilization is we birth children with giant brains and are effectively able to protect that child while it learns everything it can in the world. Because the big brain comes at the cost off more natural instincts
Weird, huh? Almost like… we were created in the image of God.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:54 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Because that’s how science works. If you don’t question the science then believing in it is absolutely no different than having faith in a religious concept.
Yep. Agree. The remarkable thing is that modern evolutionary theory is seemingly bulletproof, destroying all secular and religious challenges going back to 1859.
The old essay is still true, “Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution”.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 1:03 am to CPTDCKHD
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Almost like… we were created in the image of God.
I've always loved how absolutely insane that statement is.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 6:43 am to Northwestern tiger
Is it a stone EBT card?
Posted on 3/13/23 at 6:57 am to Northwestern tiger
I thought the science was settled.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 7:14 am to X123F45
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Not monkeys, but orangutans have learned to fish with poles. Saw it on the discovery channel a while back.
LIKE A BOSS
Posted on 3/13/23 at 7:25 am to AUstar
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It doesn't prove evolution wrong, it just means that the earliest "tools" in the fossil record may not have been made by humans at all.
If the evolution theory is justified by man, or an early version of man, creating these tools as proof that evolution is 100% correct, I think you have to discard those beliefs justified by early toolmaking.
If a scientist says “see this jawbone here. It’s next to this neat stone tool. We can clearly see this is an early humanoid because it’s the jawbone of a primate and the tool making abilities are on clear display”.
Yeah, all that goes out the window if primates are making tools. Any justification of the evolutionary theory of man based on tool making would have to be re-examined.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 7:26 am to AUstar
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It doesn't prove evolution wrong, it just means that the earliest "tools" in the fossil record may not have been made by humans at all.
A lot of these tools were considered the proof that evolution was correct. Now you are taking that proof away.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 7:30 am to X123F45
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I've always loved how absolutely insane that statement is.
Probably because you look at it wrong. God is everything and everywhere.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 7:36 am to X123F45
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orangutans have learned to fish with poles
Early baw.
When they start floating around on logs and using dynamite we need to worry.
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