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re: New Orleans City Council Passes Smoking Ban
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
well if non-smoking bars are so popular, why aren't they winning the war of ideas in the market?
why is government necessary to guide their idea to a victory?
old fashioned, afraid of change, irrational worry about losing regulars.
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Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
just to be clear
i'm pro-drug legalization
i'm pro-gay marriage, but i believe the only true, fair way to solve this problem is by getting government out of marriage
i think almost every SJW is a twat
just in case some wannabe baptist posing as a liberal tries to call me a republican again
i'm pro-drug legalization
i'm pro-gay marriage, but i believe the only true, fair way to solve this problem is by getting government out of marriage
i think almost every SJW is a twat
just in case some wannabe baptist posing as a liberal tries to call me a republican again
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:08 pm to Lester Earl
I'm all for less government intervention in our lives, except when it comes to protecting smokers rights. I'm not bothered by this at all. Smoke at home or suffer the consequences of a $50 fine. DWI 
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:09 pm to Lester Earl
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because you agree with a law, does that mean "it's something that you like"?
Not all laws. But I think when you're dealing with laws concerning so called "vices", I think that's pretty much how it plays out. For instance, people that drink, and drink heavily, would never want a law restricting drinking, but will fight hard against smoking, because they don't care for it.
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The smoking one for instance. Say you disagree with the smoking ban. These people (liars) are trying to portray that a business owner should have to follow no rules or regulations. I mean that is basically what they are telling us in this thread. "It should be there choice!"
I guess I'm saying that smoking is legal, and if a private business owner wants to allow someone to partake in a legal vice, they should have the choice to allow it. Then, let them suffer the market consequences. The key being that people have the choice of whether or not they want to visit that establishment and partake in second hand smoke.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:09 pm to Lester Earl
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old fashioned, afraid of change, irrational worry about losing regulars.
but they won't have to worry if market solutions present themselves, which they apparently have in nola
there are a number of smoke-free bars in Nola right now. you don't dispute that, right?
the question is why aren't THEY dominating the market?
we don't have to worry about herd mentality or disrupting regulars or anything. those bars didn't have to change
this is about the compelling market force of the alleged demand of the smoke-free bar in Nola
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:10 pm to tigerpimpbot
quote:
I'm all for less government intervention in our lives, except when it comes to protecting smokers rights
for the 100th time
this has nothing to do with "smokers' rights"
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
the question is why aren't THEY dominating the market?
location & convenience. people being impartial.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:15 pm to Lester Earl
so there is not a demand high enough for non-smoking bars to be built/converted in higher quality locations
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
i honestly dont know how they compare financially. I would say at least 50% of the bars in NOLA were smoke free anyway. Both are beside the point though.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
what about laws prohibiting people from smoking in cars with children in the back seat? its a private car, should they be able to do what they want? do those kids have to suffer because their parents are idiots? those kids dont have the choice of being in that car. so is this law justifiable?
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:25 pm to Houma Sapien
quote:
what about laws prohibiting people from smoking in cars with children in the back seat?
i'm discussing adults making adult decisions here. that example does not involve an adult
within the confines of our current system and our vast welfare state and socialized medicine, i believe in fining the frick out of these parents....possibly weekend jail.
in my ideal society, it would be a crime against the person of a minor, aka child abuse.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:25 pm to Lester Earl
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I would say at least 50% of the bars in NOLA were smoke free anyway.
well then the problem was solving itself
if it was 50-50, it makes this new law EVEN MORE absurd
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:29 pm to Salmon
I guarantee you the bar owners are happy. They hate having their bars and themselves smell like arse, but are too afraid of banning it because they would lose potential customers. Now that everyone is forced to they don't have to worry about that
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:30 pm to Lester Earl
Not even close to 50%, Lester.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
The city council is quietly waging war against go cups now as well. They aren't giving go cup permits to new bars that are opening. Nola is going to be a different place in terms of drinking 20-30 years from now. Sad fricking story going on..... As for the smoking ban, the government needs to stay OUT of private enterprise when it comes to legal vices.
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:34 pm to lsut2005
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The city council is quietly waging war against go cups now as well.
first they came for uber, and i was quiet because i walk
then they came for smoking in bars, and i was celebratory because i'm totally not happy b/c i prefer it and it's totes about health
then they came for go cups, and it was quiet, as there was nobody left to protest because they were all at TGI Fridays
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:35 pm to Winkface
I bet this thread is going round and round in circles here as far as the arguments go.
FTR, I'm against the ordinance even as a non smoker and I'm squarely on team SFP in this thread as he and I almost have the same worldviews.
This ordinance is anti freedom, anti business and just nanny state bullshite. GTFO out of private citizens lives and private establishments' affairs gov't.
FTR, I'm against the ordinance even as a non smoker and I'm squarely on team SFP in this thread as he and I almost have the same worldviews.
This ordinance is anti freedom, anti business and just nanny state bullshite. GTFO out of private citizens lives and private establishments' affairs gov't.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
SlowProFlow, great job debating.
And this person doesn't even smoke cigarettes.
And this person doesn't even smoke cigarettes.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 7:53 pm to Winkface
It's about 50% of the bars I frequent id say . I'm not familiar with every bar
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