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re: New Orleans City Council Passes Smoking Ban

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Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:48 pm to
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It should be on smokers to not do it.


I agree, the business owner should make the decision, not the government.
Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
34377 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:48 pm to
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I know the agenda behind this law
sure you do
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86192 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:48 pm to
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They already have. It ended up saving me a shite ton of money and kicking a nasty habit I had. Online gambling was my vice. RIP


you have to be trolling

I'm just going to choose to believe that

because what you are saying in this thread is fricking horrifying that someone could think that way
This post was edited on 1/22/15 at 1:49 pm
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143810 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:48 pm to
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How people don't understand that the government dictating to private business what customers can or can't do in their own establishment isn't a issue just baffles me



the way i've heard it explained in several states is the smoking ban isn't really intended to provide the patrons a smoke free environment, but more of an OSHA "Right to a safe workplace" rule for the employees.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:48 pm to
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I'm a non smoker and I hate this kind of crap.


Same here. But some folks can't see beyond their own simple desires and the use of govt. to enforce them.


This argument would hold a lot more water if smoking didn't have some many direct effects to people around smokers.
Posted by THRILLHO
Old Metairie near Cleary
Member since Apr 2006
50399 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:49 pm to
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I don't understand where the bar makes money from smoking.


Then why do you think a lot of bars allowed smoking? Do you think that the owners just enjoy the smell?
Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
7799 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:49 pm to
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CDC stats disagree with your EPA stuff, but whatevs.

I could debate you all day long on this, but I really don't care to. You have your mind made up and that's fine. But, the bottom line is this. If it is SOOOO bad then it should not be a legal product.

Seriously, you are telling me that you see nothing wrong with the government telling the citizens where it can engage in legal activity? It is a legal product (unless you are a minor) and they are telling private citizens where they can have it. They are also telling private businesses how to run their business.

You see nothing wrong with that?
Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
34377 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:49 pm to
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So you would support a law that requires interior Ozone levels to be at the same level as exterior?

Ozone is unhealthy and could be lowerex with proper ventilation.
Let me go study up on ozone right quick and get back to you.
Posted by Adam4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2008
13763 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:49 pm to
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then make that trade off by selecting bars that offer it



Cigar and hookah bars are legal.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86192 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:49 pm to
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more of an OSHA "Right to a safe workplace" rule for the employees.


they don't have to work there...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476734 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:49 pm to
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t should be on smokers to not do it. It's rude to do it in a public place

a private business isn't a "public place"

business should decide if this is allowed or not
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:49 pm to
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and smokers DON'T have a choice in the current legal scheme. what bars can they choose to smoke in?


Cigar bars, hookah bars, outdoor patios of regular bars.


Those look like choices to me
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:49 pm to
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did non-smokers have non-smoking options in the old system? yes. so it's not the same scenario


Harrahs is the ONLY casino allowed in the city by law. Where did the non-smoker get to go to gamble smoke free?



Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19467 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:49 pm to
But if we can't tell if she smokes at the bar, how are we going to know if she pokes?????
Posted by THRILLHO
Old Metairie near Cleary
Member since Apr 2006
50399 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:50 pm to
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but more of an OSHA "Right to a safe workplace" rule for the employees.


Well I hope that they ban loud music. That's not good for the worker's hearing.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476734 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:50 pm to
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I don't understand where the bar makes money from smoking. Is there a study that smoking = more drinking?

the market has spoken
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138532 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:50 pm to
This will set up a group of trolls that "legally" chain smoke just outside of certain establishments.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86192 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:50 pm to
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This argument would hold a lot more water if smoking didn't have some many direct effects to people around smokers.


and the health risk for being around smokers would be a decent argument if the people did not have the ability to CHOOSE to be around smokers
Posted by Adam4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2008
13763 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:50 pm to
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you have to be trolling


About 70%, yes
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78406 posts
Posted on 1/22/15 at 1:51 pm to
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Let me go study up on ozone right quick and get back to you.


It is deadly and a result of modern a/c use. If you care so much about second hand smoke you should really understand Ozone.
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