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re: New law in New York requires employers to disclose salaries for all job opportunities
Posted on 11/2/22 at 7:21 am to BK Lounge
Posted on 11/2/22 at 7:21 am to BK Lounge
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Agreed.. anyone who’s ever done any job hunting knows what a PITA it is to try to figure out what the salary is for any given advertised job.. As ive gotten older, ive gotten a little better at figuring out which jobs are worth applying for and what their pay range might be- but FRICK them for making me have to do any ‘guesswork’ when it comes to my livelihood.. just put it out there along with the job title and location, for chrissakes .
Have you people not heard of Google?
Posted on 11/2/22 at 7:21 am to athenslife101
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I don’t know about y’all but that’s a great thing if you ask me.
I guess it’s a great thing like Carmax is a great thing. Good for those that hate negotiating, ultimately it’s worse for the labor force because employers can essentially cap starting pay.
Having said that, I’ve gone through more than one interview process that proved to be a waste of both of our time
Posted on 11/2/22 at 7:21 am to athenslife101
this is the government overreaching again. There is absolutely no need for this.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 7:43 am to olemc999
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A law that is actually grounded in common sense.
It had to happen eventually, even if by accident.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 7:47 am to lsupride87
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Why should this be a law? Government is out of control
I agree, abortion shouldn’t be banned by the government.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 7:54 am to WavinWilly
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As always new hire budgets are higher than the retention budgets for whatever reason.
It’s a calculated risk based on the question - what percentage of current employees will actually leave for more money?
Here’s an example:
Let’s say market value for new hires is ~10% above what you’re currently paying your employees. HR thinks that there are two options:
A. If you raise everyone’s salary by 8%, you don’t lose anyone.
B. If you give everyone a 3% COL raise, you will lose 5% of your staff to the market.
Option A means your total salary pool has to increase by 8%.
Option B means your salary pool has to increase by (3%*95%) + (10%*5%) = 3.35%. So even though you have to pay more to replace the 5% that leave, you’re still saving 4.65% on salaries overall. When you add this up across an entire organization it’s significant.
The counter argument, of course, is that your top performers are more likely to be in the 5% that you lose. And then there’s the question of productivity/revenue impacts, hiring/training costs, etc. which might vary depending on the company and role.
There are a lot of other factors that can impact the calculation as well.. a company with higher overall employee satisfaction (due to culture, work/life balance, or other non-compensation factors) is at lower risk of losing employees which shifts the math in favor of lower salaries.
In any case, there’s going to be an equilibrium and it’s almost always going to be below market value for new hires, at least in the aggregate. It can suck for hiring managers and I think there is often too little emphasis placed on retention, but that’s the overall concept.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:36 am to lostinbr
A large company needs to have reasonable flexibility for experience and skill via a pay grades/ranges for a specific job title.
They should also have geo-market based adjustments to the pay grades/ranges based on location. It was well known in my former company that the jobs based in NYC, San Francisco, Seattle etc paid more because it cost more to live there.
At the end of the day ...you get what you pay for. If you under pay you will have higher turnover than if you pay fairly. Turnover cost money and it is quantifiable.
They should also have geo-market based adjustments to the pay grades/ranges based on location. It was well known in my former company that the jobs based in NYC, San Francisco, Seattle etc paid more because it cost more to live there.
At the end of the day ...you get what you pay for. If you under pay you will have higher turnover than if you pay fairly. Turnover cost money and it is quantifiable.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:42 am to Crow Pie
High performers will always outpace average or below average performers in salary. It's like the old addage that if you took all the money in the world and divided it up evenly among the people, sooner rather than later you're going to have rich, poor, and middle class people. You can't force it.
Your geo-market bit is correct too. Are people salty that a SF based employee will make more than a BR based employee?
Your geo-market bit is correct too. Are people salty that a SF based employee will make more than a BR based employee?
This post was edited on 11/2/22 at 9:43 am
Posted on 11/2/22 at 10:38 am to Bruco
The gov is pushing it to create/validate a narrative that minorities and women are paid less.
While on the surface it may be true in some cases, this arbitrarily leaves out discretion for outside factors like experience, knowledge, history, connections, etc.
This is going to lead to many interesting conversations in the HR department as longtime employees see the posted salaries of their positions…
While on the surface it may be true in some cases, this arbitrarily leaves out discretion for outside factors like experience, knowledge, history, connections, etc.
This is going to lead to many interesting conversations in the HR department as longtime employees see the posted salaries of their positions…
Posted on 11/2/22 at 10:54 am to tigerstripedjacket
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They should require applicants to disclose what they were paid at their previous or current employer.
Why should that matter? The company knows what they need and a salary range they are willing to pay for it. If a candidate has the required qualifications their past salary is irrelevant.
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