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Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:12 am to dewster
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People expect commuter rail to turn a profit from the get go
No, but it will be a giant suck on the state to run from the get go
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:30 am to member12
I'd rather just drive to and from New Orleans.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 8:55 am to TJG210
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No, but it will be a giant suck on the state to run from the get go
Far cheaper than adding another lane on I-10 between the two cities. Not knocking that either because the state needs both.
But just because the half a billion or so that Louisiana gets for this line gets rejected by the bumpkins in the state doesn’t mean the money will instead go to highway projects locally. It’s just going to go to high speed rail projects in California, Florida, or Texas. Amtrak and other passenger rail operations are getting $80 billion in the latest federal stimulus bill. Louisiana can get some of that or it can let more of it go to other states.
This line could take up to 15,000 off the highways per day and create a stronger economic link between the states two largest cities (and the suburbs in between). It would be absolutely insane to reject the federal funding to establish the service.
IMO if the feds are coughing up the funding to build it, Louisiana should take it. Doesn’t matter if it’s for a playground or a bridge. Take it. And get the economic and societal benefits from it. If Louisiana doesn’t, other states will. In this case, the feds will pay to rebuild and expand the crossing over the spillway that is slowing passenger and freight trains alike, double up on a lot of track, and get service started.
If it doesn’t pan out after 5-10 years the state can shut down any service just to be ridiculous. But they won’t. Because the state’s transportation infrastructure is a fricking joke and this line will link two Democrat controlled cities.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 9:04 am
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:25 am to member12
So this would be a Federally funded state project correct?
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:29 am to dewster
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IMO if the feds are coughing up the funding to build it, Louisiana should take it.
What don’t you understand about the part that it will be up to the state to maintain it. Would you like to pay more taxes to cover the operating budget? I swear m, some of y’all have zero critical thinking skills.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 12:04 pm to mikelbr
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Do rails in other cities actually turn a profit?
Users cover more of the costs on commuter rails than they do on your average interstate highway.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 12:07 pm to EST
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rather just drive to and from New Orleans.
Especially since you have to get around BR once you disembark.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 12:12 pm to TJG210
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There is nowhere near the population density necessary for this to make sense.
LaFox station on METRA line in Illinois is surrounded by corn fields It's really just a platform and a parking lot. And at least 50-60 people are waiting for that train at the 6:30 AM stop (before Covid). Double that for the 6:50AM stop. More still for the 7:30 train. The parking lot for this station actually fills up by 7:30AM; leaving people to park on the grass.
I've seriously waited here for a train and seen deer run through the platform. You don't need density to have a commuter rail stop.
Unlike METRA, both ends of this rail line will be book ended by cities with employment centers within walking distance. The intermediate stops will be traditional commuter rail platforms with parking lots because they aren't walkable. That's very typical for commuter lines through suburban areas.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 4/4/21 at 12:30 pm to dewster
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Unlike METRA, both ends of this rail line will be book ended by cities with employment centers within walking distance. The intermediate stops will be traditional commuter rail platforms with parking lots because they aren't walkable. That's very typical for commuter lines through suburban areas.
That's the type of area where it makes sense. Densely populated cities with a lot of nothing in between.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 1:33 pm to TJG210
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What don’t you understand about the part that it will be up to the state to maintain it. Would you like to pay more taxes to cover the operating budget?
Projected costs is around 10MM a year. That is a drop in the bucket compared to maintaining road ways if the same distance that carry the same capacity.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 4/4/21 at 1:46 pm to fightin tigers
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That is a drop in the bucket compared to maintaining road ways if the same distance that carry the same capacity.
Maybe so, but will have maybe .0000001% of the traffic the road way.
It would likely be more cost effective to have limo buses run the same route for the number of people who would actually use it on a regular basis.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 2:11 pm to TJG210
Like I said earlier, the mindset to keep investing in nothing but 1960's technology while the rest of the country advances is what keeps Louisiana in last place.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 2:15 pm to fightin tigers
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Projected costs is around 10MM a year
You can bet thats incredibly underestimated.
California gave up on theirs when estimated costs proved to be worthless.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 2:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Large difference between a commuter train and what Cali was doing. And that rail is probably revived with this bill.
A true high-speed train in the US isn't going to be feasible with how we are currently setup. Operations costs are completely different.
And I agree that the 8MM projected for first year operations makeup is probably low for a BR-NOLA train. The 300MM pricetag is probably low as well.
A true high-speed train in the US isn't going to be feasible with how we are currently setup. Operations costs are completely different.
And I agree that the 8MM projected for first year operations makeup is probably low for a BR-NOLA train. The 300MM pricetag is probably low as well.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 4/4/21 at 2:20 pm to TJG210
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I swear m, some of y’all have zero critical thinking skills.
There is no reasoning from principles in this day and age. Kids under 25 just accept the narrative. They want likes.
I'm an early millennial that hires and fires sub 25 yo all the time for my company. There are some smart as frick young people in this world now, people that I'm shocked are applying for the jobs I'm offering, but common sense is at an all time low.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 4/4/21 at 2:34 pm to TJG210
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No, but it will be a giant suck on the state to run from the get go
This is the condition of a large truss bridge in Louisiana. Bolts literally rusted away and standing water in the beams because drain holes were installed on the high side vs the low side.
Imagine giving the state of LA more infrastructure to manage.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 2:38 pm to wheelr
No doubt. Investment in infrastructure probably needs to be double what has been proposed.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 2:50 pm to fightin tigers
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No doubt. Investment in infrastructure probably needs to be double what has been proposed.
It would help if the $2 trillion infrastructure bill was actually fully geared towards infrastructure.
We have a lot of transportation, drainage, security, and water/sewerage needs in this country.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 2:50 pm to wheelr
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This is the condition of a large truss bridge in Louisiana.
Which bridge?
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 2:51 pm
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