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re: New diabetes medications prove the OT wrong, obesity is not always a choice
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:10 am to HouseMom
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:10 am to HouseMom
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People are fat because they're addicted to food.
To an extent, and it's a more powerful addiction than anything else, for the most part. Hunger hits an evolutionary core.
Again, addiction (generally) is more than just "making a choice". There are a lot of components in play and people want to just simplify the issue, for some reason. We're dealing with genetics, evolutionary effects, psychology, trauma, hormonal levels, learned behaviors, etc., as well as the internal shifts (typically over a long period of time) due to these variables.
You ever go a long time without eating vegetables and then eat vegetables and they tase horrible? You want to know why that happens? Our bodies evolved to be discriminatory against vegetation (due to our hunter-gatherer roots). We don't like to eat "new" vegetation.
That's just one example of how it's more than just simple things like "Eat more vegetables". A person who hasn't had them in years has a huge obstacle to overcome in eating them, and it has nothing to do with choice. That's the summary.
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:11 am to WeeWee
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Some fatties are definitely fat because of their choices but others are not.
Right. The ones who aren't constitute ~.01% of the fatty population.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:11 am to BluegrassBelle
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I’d be genuinely curious about the changes in food we consume from the 70s to now as well. As in, hidden sugars and other chemicals in processed food.
Look at how "healthy" vegetable oil is made. You can't tell me it's healthy being that processed. I changed 2 years ago to only use real butter, avocado oil, or legit olive oil when I cook and I feel much better. I've removed as much processed shite as I can. It's definitely made a difference in how I feel. Maybe it's placebo, but I don't care, I feel better.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:12 am to Pettifogger
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and greatly downplaying any role of willpower, discipline, etc.
That is not the straw man you stated.
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I know you want to nuance us backwards rubes to death for whatever reason
Because people are clearly ignorant to the issue and posting as if their pappy's advice is the gospel.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:13 am to WeeWee
Exactly what politicians want: You to suck Big Pharma dick
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:13 am to LSUGrrrl
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I will never downplay the benefits of a healthy diet and exercise, but people who refuse to believe new research and discoveries bc they believe the science on weight is settled are blissfully ignorant. There’s still much we don’t know about how the body works, malfunctions, heals, etc.
I'm not sure they refuse to believe the research. Like much in the post-COVID era, people are hesitant to believe these sociology-like declarations supposedly extrapolated from research as the new medical dogma.
I believe there is a lot we don't know. I think there is some contingent of those who are obese who will struggle much more than others with something like a CICO diet, and not entirely due to just being weak, etc. And there are probably lots and lots of explanations to fill up that bucket that we don't have a grasp on.
But if that bucket is 10% of the obese population, it's destructive for us to frame the discussion about obesity in terms of that 10% instead of the 90% who need to go for a walk and eat some vegetables.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:14 am to Cheese Grits
quote:right so who 20-35 is a true athlete..... Im not talking your weekend warrior competitive quidditch player.
who really is an athlete post 25?
Middle age starts around 32 - 34.
Some one working out 5 days a week, in shape, IMO isnt an athlete like that fool claimed.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 10:15 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:17 am to WeeWee
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The amount is like a setting on a dial, or what many researchers call a “set point”
I’ve established a “set point” on the amount of bullshite pumped by big Pharma that I’ll believe. It’s just a tad above zero.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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Because people are clearly ignorant to the issue and posting as if their pappy's advice is the gospel.
Eat less move more isn't pappy's advice and is a reasonable "gospel" for most of then population.
It was also scientific consensus for our entire life until now. It's likely what works for you and nearly everyone you know.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:20 am to WeeWee
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I have had many patients who are religious about charting their food intake and exercise using apps for me to verify.
I don't believe this. At all. You can "verify" what is logged into the system, but I guarantee they're not being honest if no weight is lost.
It's not physically possible.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:23 am to CarRamrod
I was an athlete and came from a family of pro athletes. I was built pretty stout till my mid 30's and middle age came calling. I had offers in college but chose academics over athletics. While I see folks talking about their gym workouts I can assure you real work is way tougher. Try swinging a pickaxe in a deep mine all day. Try working 60+ hours on a farm.
Hard work at an early age makes you independent, self reliant, and conditions your body to stay fit longer as you age.
Hard work at an early age makes you independent, self reliant, and conditions your body to stay fit longer as you age.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:24 am to WeeWee
The fat baws done got triggered in this thread lol
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's just one example of how it's more than just simple things like "Eat more vegetables". A person who hasn't had them in years has a huge obstacle to overcome in eating them, and it has nothing to do with choice. That's the summary.
A huge obstacle, "I don't like them". That's fricking pathetic
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:27 am to Epic Cajun
are we going to have this thread every single day now?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:27 am to WeeWee
It’s called self control
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:30 am to Epic Cajun
For those folks saying eat more vegetables you really should specify.
Green is generally good
Above ground is generally good
Berries are some of the best fruits
5 highest sugar vegetables
Beets (root, not leaves, the leaves are great in a salad)
Carrots
Potatoes
Corn
Green peas (the exception to the green and above ground rule)
Green is generally good
Above ground is generally good
Berries are some of the best fruits
5 highest sugar vegetables
Beets (root, not leaves, the leaves are great in a salad)
Carrots
Potatoes
Corn
Green peas (the exception to the green and above ground rule)
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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You ever go a long time without eating vegetables
No.
But to your point, I agree completely that some hormone issues and/or mental health/addiction issues can add to the challenge of losing weight.
My big concern here (as with many other posters) is the referenced article suggesting that some people just really CANNOT lose weight so they just need to buy these drugs.
It completely circumvents the heart of the issue, which for MOST people, is poor diet. Leave out the exercise portion of it. The old saying that "abs are made in the kitchen" is true. A diet of lean protein, vegetables, and complex carbs will help a person lose weight.
Why the necessity to list all of the outliers?
There is not an obese person on planet Earth who, locked in a cell for 6 months and given a diet of 1200 calories per day, will not lose weight.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:31 am to Sp0728
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It’s called self control
You can have all the discipline in the world but getting old is out of your control.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:32 am to CAD703X
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are we going to have this thread every single day now?
Its a topic that can trigger almost anyone.
I do wonder how this all ties in with fat acceptance.
Also, it will be interesting to see whose profit motive will win out: Big pharma or big grocery.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:34 am to HouseMom
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There is not an obese person on planet Earth who, locked in a cell for 6 months and given a diet of 1200 calories per day, will not lose weight.
Use that as example for a younger person, I can assure you when you start collecting your Social Security checks that number is closer to 600.
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