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Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:25 am to Rouge
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it was created for the purpose of company use
Was it? He may have created it for industry use with the thought of selling it industry wide.
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and in the course of company time
We have no way of knowing if it was created during company time. If he is paid a salary to do a job and does it, is all his off time owned by the company? We don't know his agreement with them.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:28 am to The Baker
I would be so worried about the program crashing or running into a bug that I probably wouldn't even be able to enjoy the free time. I would attempt to sell the program
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:28 am to Hangit
quote:yes. It was. Easy to prove causality here. Programmer would have to prove work on this project prior to employment. His original posting proves otherwise. He created the program directly to correct the current work systems
Was it? He may have created it for industry use with the thought of selling it industry wide.
quote:sure we do. Activity logs on the company-owned computer assets always leave a data trail
We have no way of knowing if it was created during company time.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:29 am to Hangit
Say a mechanic works at a shop that has hired him to change alternators on trucks. They agree to pay him 1 hour per alternator changed. He invents a better wrench that allows him to change one in half an hour, thereby increasing his productivity and income.
Does the company own his wrench?
Does the company own his wrench?
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:30 am to Hangit
quote:yes
Does the company own his wrench?
The take away is that if you have a great idea that can work, you quit and develop it on your own
This post was edited on 6/30/17 at 7:32 am
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:33 am to Rouge
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He created the program directly to correct the current work systems
Which is not covered in the scope of his employment as a data input clerk.
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Activity logs on the company-owned computer assets always leave a data trail
Does it matter? He is hired to do a specific job and does it. Once his job is done he is on his own time. We do not know the scope of his agreement with the company.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:36 am to Hangit
quote:it totally matters
Does it matter?
Any innovation created via company-owned assets will be considered property of the company
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:38 am to The Baker
Looking at the responses in this thread you can tell who's up there in age and those who are a tad bit younger.
The dude is delivering the job required to his company and his social contract is being fulfilled. The company at least as far as we know, has not been upset about his performance. So there is really no issue. Both parties are getting what they agreed too.
If he built the program on company time, its the companies IP. If he didn't, he can possibly make serious money by licensing out his product.
The dude is delivering the job required to his company and his social contract is being fulfilled. The company at least as far as we know, has not been upset about his performance. So there is really no issue. Both parties are getting what they agreed too.
If he built the program on company time, its the companies IP. If he didn't, he can possibly make serious money by licensing out his product.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:38 am to The Baker
As if companies are making pure ethical decisions with regard to its employees on a daily basis. Screw that. Milk it.
This post was edited on 6/30/17 at 7:39 am
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:43 am to LSU Wayne
Yup. I see no problem with this. Enjoy the extra time with your kid or figure out a way to use that extra time to make extra money with a side gig.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:43 am to The Baker
Id give that person a promotion
He/she could have proposed this modification to supervisor/board of directors to demonstrate the effectiveness
He/she could have proposed this modification to supervisor/board of directors to demonstrate the effectiveness
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Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:43 am to Rouge
I will admit that I do not know the legal ins and outs but morally it should be his. He is hired to do job A and does it. He is not hired to develop products for them. The company had no hand in, nor did they pay, for any programs.
Depending on what the company does, I would use them as an ally in developing and marketing it. I would not tell them I had already done the work. Negotiations may make it worth it to both of them.
Depending on what the company does, I would use them as an ally in developing and marketing it. I would not tell them I had already done the work. Negotiations may make it worth it to both of them.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:45 am to Hangit
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Say a mechanic works at a shop that has hired him to change alternators on trucks. They agree to pay him 1 hour per alternator changed. He invents a better wrench that allows him to change one in half an hour, thereby increasing his productivity and income. Does the company own his wrench?
Depends on when he came up with the idea for the wrench, what equipment he made the wrench with, using company resources to test the wrench, and what gave him the idea to create the wrench? Basically you have to do everything on your own without using company resources.
In this case it is easy to see the company he works for specific work need is what caused him to create the automation. His company could easily fight for the patent.
I work for an power generation company. If I came up with a better generator on company time using company resources (spreadsheets,) my company would own that idea. If I did it as a hobby on the side without using any company resources, then I could own that idea. It would be very tough for me to prove that though.
This post was edited on 6/30/17 at 7:47 am
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:46 am to Hangit
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Does it matter? He is hired to do a specific job and does it. Once his job is done he is on his own time. We do not know the scope of his agreement with the company.
This would be true if he were a contract worker but he is employed. Thus, he isn't on his "own time."
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:48 am to Dam Guide
quote:I would think they would have to prove that you worked on it on company time which would be easy since they monitor your computer usage.
It would be very tough for me to prove that though.
If they can't prove you created it on company time, you won it
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:50 am to The Baker
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I even insert a few bugs here and there to make it look like it’s been generated by a human.
There's your answer.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:51 am to The Baker
Creating an automation to make your job easier certainly isn't unethical.
Intentionally parsing it out and inserting bugs to hide the automation... that's crossing the line.
Intentionally parsing it out and inserting bugs to hide the automation... that's crossing the line.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:58 am to The Baker
This all sounds like bullshite to me. If he can write SQL and wire up RPA, why would he ever have such a mind numbing job data entry in the first place? I didn't read it all so maybe it goes into that....I guess it is believable but this story Is likely made up.
It does pose an interesting delimma though.
It does pose an interesting delimma though.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:58 am to The Baker
Pretty funny reading the butthurt responses about what he is doing is unethical, but I would bet you that over 99% of people in his shoes would probably do the same exact thing.
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