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re: Net Neutrality LIVE Vote • OFFICIAL RESULTS • Neutrality is Abolished

Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:50 pm to
Posted by 25 Point Lead
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:50 pm to
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It should be but we are behind the rest of the world when it comes to access. Google has all but given up on Google Fiber because of red tape regulations.


And legal battles from the current ISPs.

But the little guy is going to be able to come in and knock them out
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:50 pm to
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People said the exact same thing about electric companies and the opposite happened.



Electric companies were deciding how much electricity your house gets based on the brand of appliances you're using or the food you eat?
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Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:50 pm to
Who’s that list?
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:50 pm to
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I’m having a hard time understanding why this bad. I view this like electric companies. Texas is deregulated and the competition for your business is good.


, that's not what net neutrality is.

If you want to liken it to power companies, imagine if Entergy also had their own brand of appliances. If you use Entergy appliances, your cable bill is cut by 20%. If you use a group of 4 or 5 appliance manufacturers, your bill is the same, and if you use anyone else, your bill increases by 20%.

Net neutrality says your bill should be the same regardless of how you use the electricity. The repeal of NN allows Entergy to use the pricing model above. It effectively eliminates competition for anyone wanting to start an appliance company.

Posted by 25 Point Lead
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:51 pm to
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. Since we all still have many choices for ISPs, competition will keep prices down for all of us.



Posted by 50_Tiger
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:51 pm to
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People said the exact same thing about electric companies and the opposite happened.

Competition drove the prices down.

If my ISP charges me more for the data that I use I can find another provider, or choose to pay for what I use, or decrease the data that I use.



Fred stop with the logic.

I like rotating Gexa / Green Mountain / TXU / Reliant every year for 6-7 cent kW/h rates
Posted by stout
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:51 pm to
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None of that is a reason for a repeal of net neutrality though.



The only strategy that will actually have an impact on the ISP monopoly is deregulation and getting rid of NN is the first step in that IMO. Get the Gov out of it as much as possible.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:51 pm to
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Does everyone really think every internet provider will start jacking up thier rates?


No.

That's not what this is about. I hate that fricking argument.
Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:51 pm to
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Republican voters aren't the brightest and typically vote against there own self interest except for the wealthy.
this really isn't much of a partisan issue

It's perfectly fine to be a small govt Republican and have a general world view of low taxes, less regulation is good...and then make exceptions.

Being an ideologue is what is stupid
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:51 pm to
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or decrease the data that I use. 




My arse sure will not be refreshing this site all day

Rip chicken
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Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:52 pm to
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It effectively eliminates competition for anyone wanting to start an appliance company.


Until someone decides to change the market with something new and innovative.
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:52 pm to
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Realistic price point for TD access: $1/month?

I would pay it.


Is that with or without all the annoying ads that slow down the site?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:53 pm to
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Does everyone really think every internet provider will start jacking up thier rates? Pffft. This isn't like the cable companies of the past where, based on where you lived, you only had one monopolistic choice for cable. Since we all still have many choices for ISPs, competition will keep prices down for all of us.



I'll make this debate as simple as we possibly can - why is net neutrality a bad thing?

Even if you think this repeal won't have a single negative impact on American companies or providers, explain to me why keeping net neutrality would have been a bad thing?
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:53 pm to
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The baws who sold us out: 

Mo Brooks, Alabama, $26,000 
Ron Estes, Kansas, $13,807 
Thomas Massie, Kentucky, $25,000 
Ralph Norman, South Carolina, $15,050 
John Moolenaar, Michigan, $25,000 
Neal Dunn, Florida, $18,500 
Mike Bishop, Michigan, $68,250 
Alex Mooney, West Virginia, $17,750 
Glenn “GT” Thompson, Pennsylvania, $70,500 
Blaine Luetkemeyer, Missouri, $105,000 
Paul Gosar, Arizona, $12,250 
Richard W. Allen, Georgia, $24,250 
Kevin Cramer, North Dakota, $168,500 
Greg Walden, Oregon, $1,605,986 
Marsha Blackburn, Tennessee, $600,999 
Billy Long, Missouri, $221,500 
Gregg Harper, Mississippi, $245,200 
Brett Guthrie, Kentucky, $398,500 
Bill Johnson, Ohio, $196,666 
Jeff Duncan, South Carolina, $41,830 
Earl “Buddy” Carter, Georgia, $39,250 
Susan Brooks, Indiana, $168,500 
Gus Bilirakis, Florida, $234,400 
Markwayne Mullin, Oklahoma, $141,750 
Mimi Walters, California, $161,500 
Joe Barton, Texas, $1,262,757 
Bill Flores, Texas, $127,500 
Pete Olson, Texas, $220,500 
Morgan Griffith, Virginia, $198,900 
Tim Walberg, Michigan, $131,850 
Fred Upton, Michigan, $1,590,125 
Joe Wilson, South Carolina, $104,750 
Martha McSally, Arizona, $84,936 
Blake Farenthold, Texas, $64,250 
Steve Womack, Arkansas, $104,750 
Tom Marino, Pennsylvania, $130,700 
Louie Gohmert, Texas, $85,055 
Walter Jones, North Carolina, $72,800 
Leonard Lance, New Jersey, $290,550 
Steve Chabot, Ohio, $332,083 
Bob Goodlatte, Virginia, $815,099 
Andy Biggs, Arizona, $19,500 
Mark Walker, North Carolina, $35,750 
Glenn Grothman, Wisconsin, $21,200 
Ken Buck, Colorado, $79,350 
Larry Bucshon, Indiana, $71,750 
Chuck Fleischmann, Tennessee, $42,00 
David Rouzer, North Carolina, $34,300 
Paul Mitchell, Michigan, $18,000 
Hal Rogers, Kentucky, $360,450 
Doug Collins, Georgia, $103,600 
Ralph Abraham, Louisiana, $27,300 
Mark Meadows, North Carolina, $14,500 
Michael McCaul, Texas, $216,500 
Jeb Hensarling, Texas, $270,198 
Mike Simpson, Idaho, $125,200 
Tom Emmer, Minnesota, $28,500 
Randy Weber, Texas, $13,750 
Rob Woodall, Georgia, $60,250 
Ted Budd, North Carolina, $15,500 
Ken Calvert, California, $219,212 
Diane Black, Tennessee, $104,750 
Virginia Foxx, North Carolina, $115,700 
Sam Johnson, Texas, $219,785 
James Comer, Kentucky, $22,750 
Trey Gowdy, South Carolina, $83,250 
Lamar Smith, Texas, $810,462 
Steven A King, Iowa, $210,810 
George Holding, North Carolina, $97,750 
Rob Wittman, Virginia, $57,250 
John Lee Ratcliffe, Texas, $53,950 
Jason Lewis, Minnesota, $21,050 
Jim Banks, Indiana, $16,303 
Bill Huizenga, Michigan, $34,000 
Bill Shuster, Pennsylvania, $202,500 
Steven Russell, Oklahoma, $23,500 
Adrian Smith, Nebraska, $165,834 
Jody B Hice, Georgia, $21,000 
Richard Hudson, North Carolina, $136,750 
Douglas L Lamborn, Colorado, $110,543 
Chris Collins, New York, $151,060 
Cathy McMorris-Rodgers, Washington, $673,530 
Brad Wenstrup, Ohio, $33,750 
Andy Barr, Kentucky, $51,100


For those wondering these are the republicans who voted to kill net neutrality and the amount the corporations paid for each vote in campaign contributions.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:53 pm to
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Until someone decides to change the market with something new and innovative.


Which the energy company buys the patent for and shuts down.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
9029 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:53 pm to
Exactly. It will be extremely hard for a local provider to offer better packages than the behemoth. And the behemoth can temporarily offer better deals and then as soon as the local provider is out of business they go back up.

As people are saying we aren’t starting ISP’s from scratch and letting everyone compete. There are already established monopolies than will be incredibly hard to dethrone. And even if you’re a fortunate person with two options....hooray! We’ve seen how well just two options works in government.

In a big urban area people will likely have a few options, but people in smaller towns or rural areas will likely get fricked.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:54 pm to
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Being an ideologue is what is stupid


Has nothing to do with that. Their votes were bought and paid for.
Posted by 25 Point Lead
Member since Nov 2017
575 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:54 pm to
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Fred stop with the logic.

I like rotating Gexa / Green Mountain / TXU / Reliant every year for 6-7 cent kW/h rates



You really need to read up on the deregulation of Texas power utilities.

Focus on the use of incumbent lines and the price to beat regulation that's included.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43449 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:54 pm to
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Which the energy company buys the patent for and shuts down.


The IP owner just made a shite ton of money?

Sounds like he won right?
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:55 pm to
You know what the biggest threat to old school cable/fiber internet providers is?

Spectrum wireless internet.

You know what the biggest cable providers are doing right now? Buying all the spectrum so no one can use it.
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