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re: Net Neutrality LIVE Vote • OFFICIAL RESULTS • Neutrality is Abolished
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:50 pm to stout
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:50 pm to stout
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It should be but we are behind the rest of the world when it comes to access. Google has all but given up on Google Fiber because of red tape regulations.
And legal battles from the current ISPs.
But the little guy is going to be able to come in and knock them out
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:50 pm to TigerFred
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People said the exact same thing about electric companies and the opposite happened.
Electric companies were deciding how much electricity your house gets based on the brand of appliances you're using or the food you eat?
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:50 pm to TigerFred
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I’m having a hard time understanding why this bad. I view this like electric companies. Texas is deregulated and the competition for your business is good.
If you want to liken it to power companies, imagine if Entergy also had their own brand of appliances. If you use Entergy appliances, your cable bill is cut by 20%. If you use a group of 4 or 5 appliance manufacturers, your bill is the same, and if you use anyone else, your bill increases by 20%.
Net neutrality says your bill should be the same regardless of how you use the electricity. The repeal of NN allows Entergy to use the pricing model above. It effectively eliminates competition for anyone wanting to start an appliance company.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:51 pm to East Coast Band
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. Since we all still have many choices for ISPs, competition will keep prices down for all of us.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:51 pm to TigerFred
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People said the exact same thing about electric companies and the opposite happened.
Competition drove the prices down.
If my ISP charges me more for the data that I use I can find another provider, or choose to pay for what I use, or decrease the data that I use.
Fred stop with the logic.
I like rotating Gexa / Green Mountain / TXU / Reliant every year for 6-7 cent kW/h rates
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:51 pm to slackster
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None of that is a reason for a repeal of net neutrality though.
The only strategy that will actually have an impact on the ISP monopoly is deregulation and getting rid of NN is the first step in that IMO. Get the Gov out of it as much as possible.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:51 pm to East Coast Band
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Does everyone really think every internet provider will start jacking up thier rates?
No.
That's not what this is about. I hate that fricking argument.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:51 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:this really isn't much of a partisan issue
Republican voters aren't the brightest and typically vote against there own self interest except for the wealthy.
It's perfectly fine to be a small govt Republican and have a general world view of low taxes, less regulation is good...and then make exceptions.
Being an ideologue is what is stupid
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:51 pm to TigerFred
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or decrease the data that I use.
My arse sure will not be refreshing this site all day
Rip chicken
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:52 pm to slackster
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It effectively eliminates competition for anyone wanting to start an appliance company.
Until someone decides to change the market with something new and innovative.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:52 pm to PrivatePublic
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Realistic price point for TD access: $1/month?
I would pay it.
Is that with or without all the annoying ads that slow down the site?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:53 pm to East Coast Band
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Does everyone really think every internet provider will start jacking up thier rates? Pffft. This isn't like the cable companies of the past where, based on where you lived, you only had one monopolistic choice for cable. Since we all still have many choices for ISPs, competition will keep prices down for all of us.
I'll make this debate as simple as we possibly can - why is net neutrality a bad thing?
Even if you think this repeal won't have a single negative impact on American companies or providers, explain to me why keeping net neutrality would have been a bad thing?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:53 pm to Old Money
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The baws who sold us out:
Mo Brooks, Alabama, $26,000
Ron Estes, Kansas, $13,807
Thomas Massie, Kentucky, $25,000
Ralph Norman, South Carolina, $15,050
John Moolenaar, Michigan, $25,000
Neal Dunn, Florida, $18,500
Mike Bishop, Michigan, $68,250
Alex Mooney, West Virginia, $17,750
Glenn “GT” Thompson, Pennsylvania, $70,500
Blaine Luetkemeyer, Missouri, $105,000
Paul Gosar, Arizona, $12,250
Richard W. Allen, Georgia, $24,250
Kevin Cramer, North Dakota, $168,500
Greg Walden, Oregon, $1,605,986
Marsha Blackburn, Tennessee, $600,999
Billy Long, Missouri, $221,500
Gregg Harper, Mississippi, $245,200
Brett Guthrie, Kentucky, $398,500
Bill Johnson, Ohio, $196,666
Jeff Duncan, South Carolina, $41,830
Earl “Buddy” Carter, Georgia, $39,250
Susan Brooks, Indiana, $168,500
Gus Bilirakis, Florida, $234,400
Markwayne Mullin, Oklahoma, $141,750
Mimi Walters, California, $161,500
Joe Barton, Texas, $1,262,757
Bill Flores, Texas, $127,500
Pete Olson, Texas, $220,500
Morgan Griffith, Virginia, $198,900
Tim Walberg, Michigan, $131,850
Fred Upton, Michigan, $1,590,125
Joe Wilson, South Carolina, $104,750
Martha McSally, Arizona, $84,936
Blake Farenthold, Texas, $64,250
Steve Womack, Arkansas, $104,750
Tom Marino, Pennsylvania, $130,700
Louie Gohmert, Texas, $85,055
Walter Jones, North Carolina, $72,800
Leonard Lance, New Jersey, $290,550
Steve Chabot, Ohio, $332,083
Bob Goodlatte, Virginia, $815,099
Andy Biggs, Arizona, $19,500
Mark Walker, North Carolina, $35,750
Glenn Grothman, Wisconsin, $21,200
Ken Buck, Colorado, $79,350
Larry Bucshon, Indiana, $71,750
Chuck Fleischmann, Tennessee, $42,00
David Rouzer, North Carolina, $34,300
Paul Mitchell, Michigan, $18,000
Hal Rogers, Kentucky, $360,450
Doug Collins, Georgia, $103,600
Ralph Abraham, Louisiana, $27,300
Mark Meadows, North Carolina, $14,500
Michael McCaul, Texas, $216,500
Jeb Hensarling, Texas, $270,198
Mike Simpson, Idaho, $125,200
Tom Emmer, Minnesota, $28,500
Randy Weber, Texas, $13,750
Rob Woodall, Georgia, $60,250
Ted Budd, North Carolina, $15,500
Ken Calvert, California, $219,212
Diane Black, Tennessee, $104,750
Virginia Foxx, North Carolina, $115,700
Sam Johnson, Texas, $219,785
James Comer, Kentucky, $22,750
Trey Gowdy, South Carolina, $83,250
Lamar Smith, Texas, $810,462
Steven A King, Iowa, $210,810
George Holding, North Carolina, $97,750
Rob Wittman, Virginia, $57,250
John Lee Ratcliffe, Texas, $53,950
Jason Lewis, Minnesota, $21,050
Jim Banks, Indiana, $16,303
Bill Huizenga, Michigan, $34,000
Bill Shuster, Pennsylvania, $202,500
Steven Russell, Oklahoma, $23,500
Adrian Smith, Nebraska, $165,834
Jody B Hice, Georgia, $21,000
Richard Hudson, North Carolina, $136,750
Douglas L Lamborn, Colorado, $110,543
Chris Collins, New York, $151,060
Cathy McMorris-Rodgers, Washington, $673,530
Brad Wenstrup, Ohio, $33,750
Andy Barr, Kentucky, $51,100
For those wondering these are the republicans who voted to kill net neutrality and the amount the corporations paid for each vote in campaign contributions.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:53 pm to 50_Tiger
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Until someone decides to change the market with something new and innovative.
Which the energy company buys the patent for and shuts down.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:53 pm to weedGOKU666
Exactly. It will be extremely hard for a local provider to offer better packages than the behemoth. And the behemoth can temporarily offer better deals and then as soon as the local provider is out of business they go back up.
As people are saying we aren’t starting ISP’s from scratch and letting everyone compete. There are already established monopolies than will be incredibly hard to dethrone. And even if you’re a fortunate person with two options....hooray! We’ve seen how well just two options works in government.
In a big urban area people will likely have a few options, but people in smaller towns or rural areas will likely get fricked.
As people are saying we aren’t starting ISP’s from scratch and letting everyone compete. There are already established monopolies than will be incredibly hard to dethrone. And even if you’re a fortunate person with two options....hooray! We’ve seen how well just two options works in government.
In a big urban area people will likely have a few options, but people in smaller towns or rural areas will likely get fricked.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:54 pm to Pilot Tiger
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Being an ideologue is what is stupid
Has nothing to do with that. Their votes were bought and paid for.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:54 pm to 50_Tiger
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Fred stop with the logic.
I like rotating Gexa / Green Mountain / TXU / Reliant every year for 6-7 cent kW/h rates
You really need to read up on the deregulation of Texas power utilities.
Focus on the use of incumbent lines and the price to beat regulation that's included.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:54 pm to Breesus
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Which the energy company buys the patent for and shuts down.
The IP owner just made a shite ton of money?
Sounds like he won right?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 12:55 pm to Breesus
You know what the biggest threat to old school cable/fiber internet providers is?
Spectrum wireless internet.
You know what the biggest cable providers are doing right now? Buying all the spectrum so no one can use it.
Spectrum wireless internet.
You know what the biggest cable providers are doing right now? Buying all the spectrum so no one can use it.
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