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re: NCAA to pay $3 billion to athletes in historic settlement.

Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:05 pm to
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
2020 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:05 pm to
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Would they sell out NFL stadiums with Division III talent after playing Amherst and Middlebury?


Of course not. Can a good NFL team continuously sellout a 100,000 seat stadium? If so, why is their largest stadium only 82,000 seats? If not, why not? They have the best talent and a "better" product.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12630 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 5:24 pm to
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Once again of course they would. I haven't indicated that all college programs were equal or would generate the same amount of interest.

OK.

Let’s say the worst D1 football program generates $5 million in annual revenue. Their players are the bottom of the barrel, easily replaceable, and effectively add no value.

Now let’s say the best D1 football program generates $100 million in annual revenue. That program’s success is worth $95 million a year (the difference between their revenue and the worst team’s revenue). Their players are the cream of the crop, and are a major factor in that success. So you could argue that, at most, those top-tier players are worth $95 million/year. This is the case whether the top-tier players are 4-5 stars or 2-3 stars.

Of course, reality is more complicated. Those bottom-of-the-barrel players at the worst program aren’t actually worthless because you still need players to field a team, and there are levels of competition beneath D1 they could play in as well.

Meanwhile those top-tier players at the best program aren’t actually worth $95 million. There are others who contribute to that success (coaches being an obvious example). Furthermore, the major programs probably wouldn’t fall all the way to G5 bottom feeder status in terms of revenue if they sucked, considering many of the top programs are very large institutions with huge alumni bases.

So the truth is somewhere in the middle. But a top-tier football player’s value isn’t $0. It’s not $25k or whatever a full-ride is worth, either. It’s more than that. How much more is a matter of negotiation.

As far as I’m aware, programs don’t have to pay athletes anything under the settlement. So if the players truly don’t add value, I would expect the market to reflect that.
Posted by pioneerbasketball
Team Bunchie
Member since Oct 2005
139098 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 8:44 pm to
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I thought D3 didn't have schollys?

Not athletic but schools give more money toward academic scholarships and they stack really well.
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
11152 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 8:26 pm to
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That’s done. I don’t think I will ever view a team as part of the school again.


I honestly think that’s a part of the full agenda ( no tin foil hat here), the money brokers are all tied into the global picture. It seems like everything is being geared to no unity, no commitment to a school/country, self-centered, no community, etc.

It desensitizes, and one day the bigger things don’t matter as much. That’s our culture ina nutshell.
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
26006 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 8:28 pm to
This will kill college football for me. I don't want to watch the NFL lite. I don't watch the NFL at all. This sucks.
Posted by skiboman1
Cody, Wyoming
Member since Oct 2007
460 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 8:30 pm to
Who’s going to pay for this?
Posted by DesertFox
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2004
1133 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:05 pm to
Somebody mentioned this a couple pages back, but I think at this point the only thing that's going to fix college football is to allow the NFL to draft kids straight out of high school. Then they can come up with their own farm system (XFL?) or groom these kids and eat their salaries in the meantime.

Then what you have left is the kids who will be devoted to their school again and probably actually value an education.

Just my .02.
Posted by ThoseGuys
Wishing I was back in NC
Member since Nov 2012
2627 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:16 pm to
Why would the NFL ever abandon the current system? They spend $0 and get developed stars to plug into their worst franchises to give them a temporary boost (or in rare cases a massive boost).

The NFL doesn't care about college football fans or their complaints. Until the current system massively effects the quality of play to the point it hurts their bottom line, they won't do anything to change it. Heck hurting the quality of play may not even be a deal breaker, after all the NFL has no problems with the referees trying to be the biggest stars each game.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120032 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:18 pm to
Well the NCAA fricked themselves on this one when they decided to on the whole "student athlete" ruling so that universities could avoid having to pay for insurance.

This is the importance of compromise. When one side walks away with nothing they will eventually find away.
Posted by Delacroix22
Member since Aug 2013
4537 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:21 pm to
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fricking worst thing to happen to college football. Its not even fun to watch watch anymore with players switching schools every year .. it might as well be a called junior nfl league and do away with college entirely


This

I forget what team I was watching but he was there 2 years, left for a year, and then transferred back

It has nothing to do with the program or school

It's fricking weird and it SUCKS
Posted by DesertFox
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2004
1133 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:22 pm to
I totally agree and there's no way this would ever happen. I think college football is just doomed in its current form.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22477 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:24 pm to
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How much do I get for the 13 swim practices I went to at LSU before I shredded my shoulders and had to quit swimming?


Before 2016? None. After 2016? None.
Posted by ThoseGuys
Wishing I was back in NC
Member since Nov 2012
2627 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:25 pm to
Nah, NIL will run it's course and boosters will stop spending millions on kids that play like crap.

You think the FSU boosters will be writing blank checks next season?

Hell if Ole Miss misses the playoffs it might be a while before they go all in again.

Even Texas A&M learned the hard way what their massively expensive #1 recruiting class got them.

Give it 5/7 years and you will see NIL spending flatten out.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22477 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:28 pm to
I'm going to peruse the comments but, is the 20 million a salary cap? And can the athletes pull NIL funds in addition to the cap?
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22477 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:30 pm to
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fricking worst thing to happen to college football. Its not even fun to watch watch anymore with players switching schools every year .. it might as well be a called junior nfl league and do away with college entirely


Directly paid athletes will have to sign contracts. They will need lawyers also. A school can't agree to pay 250K a year and the dude redshirts after four games. Contracts will be signed. Reluctantly.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22477 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:31 pm to
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You'll soon see players with 15-20 year college careers, absolutely annihilating all the record books.


Beats the hell out of the USFL or whatever it is now.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22477 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:36 pm to
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Who’s going to pay for this?


I think this is a real concern. You know, you've likely heard the talk about schools having to kill non-revenue sports like women's volleyball or softball or perhaps track and field, tennis.
Posted by ThoseGuys
Wishing I was back in NC
Member since Nov 2012
2627 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:43 pm to
Nah Title IX keeps those sports alive. Non revenue men's sports are the first to go. Once you have trimmed enough of those then you will start to see some women's sports go. But if the football team has 82 guys on scholarship, than you need 82 women on scholarship as well.

Now I wouldn't be surprised if smaller schools eliminated football because it is no longer worth it. But if we dropped from 142 schools down to 60, would that really be the worst?
Posted by cbree88
South Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
9704 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 10:12 pm to
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Do you believe they want to give it up? Do you believe the coaches want to give up those huge contracts? Do you think the athletic departments want to cut the number of employees? And what about the non revenue sports? Do they want to give up the million dollar contracts? Their big payrolls?


They’ll eventually have to give all of that up if they end up destroying the consumers’ interest in the sport.
Posted by tiger in the gump
Member since Jan 2005
795 posts
Posted on 10/17/24 at 10:19 pm to
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I’m guessing they want people to stop watching completely? I watch maybe 8 games a year now. It used to be my entire fall Saturday.
You mad huh?
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