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re: NASA says New Orleans workforce a reason for issues with Boeing's Artemis rocket program
Posted on 8/9/24 at 5:05 pm to Cell of Awareness
Posted on 8/9/24 at 5:05 pm to Cell of Awareness
This isn’t unique to boeing to be honest either. Nobody wants to work in manufacturing and places are dying for skilled labor.
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 5:10 pm to Cell of Awareness
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They have to want to live in New Orleans which many smart people do not.
Michoud is pretty far from N.O. proper.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 5:17 pm to Cell of Awareness
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They have to want to live in New Orleans which many smart people do not.
They had plenty of these skilled people already there and happy to stay before they scrapped the Space Shuttle program
Posted on 8/9/24 at 5:20 pm to 94LSU
NASA/Boeing won't be in New Orleans five years from now based on this report. They are going to shutter the NO East facility down and relocate it to somewhere on the Tombigbee River.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 6:34 pm to MrLSU
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NASA/Boeing won't be in New Orleans five years from now based on this report. They are going to shutter the NO East facility down and relocate it to somewhere on the Tombigbee River.
Sad but true
Posted on 8/9/24 at 6:39 pm to Cell of Awareness
My dad retired from there years ago. Spent his career there and saw the progression of hires and bs that came along in his later years.
After a few months ears grew f retirement he decided to pick up a job at Textron just to be doing something. Nothing fancy and in fact retry basic kind of job. Easy enough. Small paycheck. Something to do. Figured he would enjoy it.
Nope. Said the young local workforce was a disaster and an embarrassment to work along side of. He quit after a few months and got busy with a small business of his own.
After a few months ears grew f retirement he decided to pick up a job at Textron just to be doing something. Nothing fancy and in fact retry basic kind of job. Easy enough. Small paycheck. Something to do. Figured he would enjoy it.
Nope. Said the young local workforce was a disaster and an embarrassment to work along side of. He quit after a few months and got busy with a small business of his own.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 6:42 pm to stout
What are they saying or doing wrong in that video?
Posted on 8/9/24 at 6:45 pm to Cell of Awareness
New Orleans workforce sounds like code words
Posted on 8/9/24 at 6:56 pm to meeple
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They had plenty of these skilled people already there and happy to stay before they scrapped the Space Shuttle program
I started an earlier thread and said the same. For 50 years that facility built rockets and fuel tanks with no issue.
Additionally, Lockheed is building Orion capsules at Michaud and has no problems.
This isn’t NOLA. This is Boeing hiring shite labor and not training them. Just like every other Boeing plant.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 8/9/24 at 6:59 pm to Cell of Awareness
You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know that New Orleans East sucks.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 7:01 pm to Cell of Awareness
Well, most of MAF is Bama now so...
Posted on 8/9/24 at 7:31 pm to LSUFanHouston
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This isn’t NOLA. This is Boeing hiring shite labor and not training them. Just like every other Boeing plant.
I’m going to sound like a broken record but this is a problem across heavy manufacturing facilities in general. A lot of their products were built by guys using tribal knowledge. When they left the force the young guys were thrown into the fire with no training, no plans, and drawings are way behind. Now these facilities are scrambling to train a workforce that isn’t all that adept in welding, fitting, electrical, etc.
And to the posters who think Mobile is a better option, ask Austal about the massive lawsuit they just came out of because they were using a grinder that was injuring people with little to no training on how to use the machine.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 8/9/24 at 7:58 pm to Ryan3232
They don't want to pay competitive wages for the industry, they choose these places to pay lower wages. LA and MS is full of these type of deals, they certainly didn't choose them for the quality of candidate, they chose them for the cheap labor force.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 8:07 pm to LegendInMyMind
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You're fricking NASA, you can recruit literally world wide.
Smart people generally don't want to relocate to a shite hole like New Orleans. They have better options elsewhere.
The few decent candidates that are local to New Orleans are generally looking to move their families out to places with a better quality of life.
Basically, can't keep em here, can't bring em in.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 8:29 pm to danilo
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lower employee compensation relative to other aerospace competitors.”
Posted on 8/9/24 at 8:37 pm to Cell of Awareness
What about all the other Boeing problems?
Do they make the Starliner and the 737 Max there too?
Do they make the Starliner and the 737 Max there too?
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:25 pm to Cell of Awareness
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The report found that Boeing’s quality management system at Michoud does not adhere to these standards or NASA requirements. NASA states a lack of quality control has led to 71 issues on the project that range from minor to potentially serious.
Complex manufacturing demands a QMS, sounds like a Boeing engineering mgmt or more likely executive level mgmt issue. And NASA has been sitting on their hands during years of busted cost control?
At the worker bee level, hire for attitude and train for skill.
Yes, I'm aware of the candidates locale. Nonetheless, it can be done.
Done a few projects with Boeing, non recent, they were a great company to collaborate with until the finance types took over the C suite.
Boeing better return to being engineering focused before it's too late.
Posted on 8/10/24 at 12:22 am to Smeg
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Smeg
You are correct.
With respect to the Artemis program and its problems, it's hard to know where to begin.
First, NASA should've awarded the contract for the core stage to LM, not Boeing. LM already had the expertise, organizational structure, etc in place at MAF.
Boeing's plan was to take mgmt from their ISS program who had experience working with NASA and join them with engineers from their Delta program who had experience with rockets. In reality, neither of those happened. Most of its mgmt came from their commercial planes who treated it like it was an airplane.
Boeing has very inefficient MES, NCR, and dwg change processes that eat their lunch every single day. See above.
See Sneg's post above. He is correct. The NOLA crime and culcha are legitimate factors. Aerospace is a very active industry at present. Any talented engineer or tech has options. Few will choose to set down roots around MAF.
Boeing was DEI before DEI was cool. IMO, they will die on the DEI hill rather than offend. Or to put it another way, this is not your Saturn V's MAF. Wonder what's changed?
Finally, the overall Artemis Core Stage design is viable. Boeing's approach is not.
Posted on 8/10/24 at 12:25 am to Mr Breeze
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At the worker bee level, hire for attitude and train for skill.
I like this but it's a decade late at this point. And the options at MAF are gonna stretch this to its limits.
Posted on 8/10/24 at 12:41 am to Cell of Awareness
So they are saying it is "you people?"
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