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re: NASA decision watch: abandon Starliner, use SpaceX in Feb
Posted on 8/24/24 at 7:18 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 8/24/24 at 7:18 pm to LSUFanHouston
The contracts also called for a minimum of 6 crewed flights from each, with each company expected to pick up 50% of the workload. Boeing will be hard pressed to even achieve 6 flights during remaining contract term, fortunately for NASA SpaceX was able to pick up the slack. At this point it could be Sierra’s Dream Chaser stepping in for Boeing in the next 2-3 years.
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Posted on 8/24/24 at 7:22 pm to Btrtigerfan
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Starliner returns to Earth intact, NASA will certify it for human spaceflight. Too many kickbacks and government contracts on the line to let Boeing fail.
100%.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 7:28 pm to Free888
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At this point it could be Sierra’s Dream Chaser stepping in for Boeing in the next 2-3 years.
Dream Chaser launches on a Vulcan rocket.
Vulcan rockets are made by ULA
ULA is a partnership between Lockheed Martin and... BOEING
Vulcan centaurs are also plagues by frickups. Go figure.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 7:34 pm to TigerFanatic99
How many different companies/countries can take people to the ISS?
Posted on 8/24/24 at 7:42 pm to Ghost of Colby
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I can find only six Americans that have spent more than six consecutive months in space.
The good news is that both Williams and Gilmore have significant long-duration experience aboard the ISS.
Posted on 8/24/24 at 7:58 pm to TigerFanatic99
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Dream Chaser launches on a Vulcan rocket.
Vulcan rockets are made by ULA
ULA is a partnership between Lockheed Martin and... BOEING
Vulcan centaurs are also plagues by frickups. Go figure.
Sierra Nevada that makes Dream Chaser announced a play on buying out ULA this past week.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 11:09 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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They are going to return it to earth unmanned and drop it in White Sands, study and fix it. And they said they will use Starliner in the future when it is ship shape. Sometimes there are failures. But you can’t give up.
It's not about their ability to keep going on technical merit, but more so about the MIC protecting their own at this point. NASA and Boeing are not going to be separated for a while, at least until Boeing stops contributing to the defense sector.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 11:12 am to Btrtigerfan
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have faith in our government overlords. If Starliner returns to Earth intact, NASA will certify it for human spaceflight. Too many kickbacks and government contracts on the line to let Boeing fail.
Bingo.
Some companies are way more equal than others. Boeing's Starliner could fall out of the sky killing whoever and it will be propped up as the future of space flight. Meanwhile the FAA magically simultaneously will ground SpaceX on nebulous grounds for "safety" concerns.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 11:31 am to NYNolaguy1
NASA isn't even the future of spaceflight so it's really irrelevant who flies them to their janky arse space station.
I'm willing to bet the first man to walk on Mars will be a private citizen.
I'm willing to bet the first man to walk on Mars will be a private citizen.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 11:40 am to Psych23
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I'm willing to bet the first man to walk on Mars will be a private citizen.
I firmly believe Elon will have a Starbucks set up mars before nasa gets there
Posted on 8/25/24 at 11:53 am to Kingpenm3
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How many different companies/countries can take people to the ISS?
Right now it’s limited. Russia, US (SpaceX), and possibly China, but it’s unlikely that China’s docking system is compatible (although it’s based off of Russia’s tech). India is currently developing a man rated system as well.
As mentioned, NASA will certify Starliner, and do 6 flights with only NASA astronauts (and possibly the random small country astronaut), simply because those astronauts will be told they need to go. No private missions will want to go anywhere near Starliner.
On a somewhat related note, NASA is also having problems with the Orion capsule (the SLS capsule built by Lockheed). The unmanned capsule from the first launch had a newly designed ablative heat shield that has issues. These could set the program back another year or two at least. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Musk just send a Starship to the moon by himself.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 2:20 pm to IT_Dawg
I didn't know much about "Starliner" or "Dragon" so I googled them. Man, that was not what I was envisioning. Starliner looks like the Idiocracy version of a Project Mercury capsule. I doubt Werner von Braun would approve of that thing as an outhouse, to say nothing of a "launch vehicle."
Dragon is a little better, but still pretty underwhelming. Really sad stuff.
Dragon is a little better, but still pretty underwhelming. Really sad stuff.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 4:22 pm to IT_Dawg
What has happened to NASA? This isn’t what it used to be.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 5:33 pm to Dixie2023
Chris and Gene are rolling over in their graves.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 5:42 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Even more embarrassing for Boeing. Paid a lot more and still years behind and can’t get it right.
What was the reasoning for the disparate contracts? Was Starliner supposed to do more than Dargon?
Posted on 8/25/24 at 5:46 pm to Porpus
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. I doubt Werner von Braun would approve of that thing as an outhouse, to say nothing of a "launch vehicle."
IMO, Warner would've been happy to pass the baton to Elon. SpaceX draws from Apollo's approach to testing.
What the NASA of today is doing is anyone's guess. And today's Boeing is not your Apollo's first stage's Boeing.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 6:20 pm to N2cars
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Chris and Gene are rolling over in their graves.
If you’re talking about Gene Kranz, no he’s not. He’s still alive.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 7:04 pm to Free888
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Gene Kranz
Dang, thank you.
I coulda sworn I saw a post from Jeannie...
Glad I'm wrong.
Posted on 8/25/24 at 7:05 pm to IT_Dawg
letting the one they have stuck right now float off into space would likely do that as well
—after wasting billions; billions of dollars
—after wasting billions; billions of dollars
Posted on 8/25/24 at 7:09 pm to Porpus
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Dragon is a little better, but still pretty underwhelming. Really sad stuff.
Space travel is about practicality and physics. Not about looking cool
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