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re: Mystery of the Lost Colony of Roanoke apparently definitively solved

Posted on 6/7/25 at 6:54 pm to
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 6:54 pm to
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the original colony assimilated into the local Croatoan Indians
I'm sure some of them did and the rest were brutally killed. That's what Indians were doing to settlers in those days.
Posted by grsharky
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 7:26 pm to
White didn’t search long when he returned because his ship’s anchor broke and it was prime hurricane season and the crew wanted to get back to Europe. Also he was just hitching a ride back in 1590, the captain and crew he was with had no real interest in the colony to keep looking anyway.

White went to his grave believing his family and settlers just went to live with the Natives.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 9:21 pm to
Posted by silverthorn
Fort Collins, CO
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 9:28 pm to
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How does one even know what supplies to get when you’re gonna be gone 3 years. Man those people were crazy


The trip was supposed to be quick (for 1580's), but England and Spain started to throw hands, and cannonballs, and this conflict delayed him from returning as scheduled. So because of major war, he was delayed a couple more years. And the rest is history.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/7/25 at 11:36 pm to
They done went injun
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/8/25 at 1:09 am to
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The trip was supposed to be quick (for 1580's), but England and Spain started to throw hands, and cannonballs, and this conflict delayed him from returning as scheduled

He landed back in England just as news was spreading that the Spanish Hapsburg empire was assembling a massive naval fleet in preparation for an invasion of England.

Queen Elizabeth had ordered all shipping to remain in port just days prior to his arrival. England desperately needed every available ship to combat the Spanish Armada.

White did manage to secure a couple of small older vessels in early 1588 that weren’t being used in any war or defensive capacity. Unfortunately, they were barely seaworthy, and the Atlantic was extremely dangerous during that period for any English vessel. The two vessels soon became separated, both attacked by pirates, and one ended up running aground way off course in the Azores.

The Spanish Armada was famously defeated later that year, but the war raged on. Ships and voyages continued to be limited to that effort. Even though not a lot happened for nearly a year after the victory over the Armada.

England finally began deploying raiding parties and privateers to the Caribbean and other Spanish territories in Spring/Summer of 1689. Their mission was to disrupt trade, attack Spanish ports, and steal or destroy as much Spanish resources as possible.

This gave White hope because at least some English ships were once again allowed to leave port and cross the Atlantic. He still had to wait another full year before he found a way to make a return trip.

A large, well-funded English privateer expedition had room for him, but he first had to spend time in the Caribbean attacking and battling the Spanish. He spent most of that time aboard a ship that was not going anywhere near the Carolinas. He eventually rendezvoused with the right ship.

A detour to Roanoke wasn’t a priority even for that ship, but it did manage to make a stop on its way back to England. That’s why White did not stay for long, and why he only conducted a cursory search of the area, despite waiting three years to return. He wasn’t leading a resupply or rescue mission. He hitched a ride on a ship that did him a huge favor by taking him to check on the colony.
Posted by Al Opecia
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 6/8/25 at 1:47 am to
The colony of Roanake were the first guests to a NA freak off and most of them did not survive the experience.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30766 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 1:58 am to
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They done went injun

Once they go Croaton they never go back.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464124 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 6:23 am to
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Just thinking about all this makes me have so much respect for the men and women who sailed over here.

The balls on these people. I mean, where you lived sucked so badly you got on a fricking sailboat headed into never ending seas not knowing if you’d ever hit land again.

I can’t imagine it. I really cannot imagine the turmoil inside these people as they boarded to head over here. Just incredible story of how tough human beings are.


Watch the Witch only as an observation on your comments above. Horrible life
Posted by Blitzed
Member since Oct 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 6:34 am to
I mean…didn’t they literally leave a sign stating their destination which was a known backup plan?
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
21905 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 6:44 am to
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More than likely killed off or enslaved the men and bred TF out of the women until the genetics blended away

And thus the bizarre OT cuck fixation lives on.

You’re an idiot if you can’t understand that’s what life was like then
This post was edited on 6/8/25 at 6:45 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464124 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 6:51 am to
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and bred TF out of the women

The Euros were seen as gross, smelly, and ugly compared to the native FWIW.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57668 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 7:27 am to

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Josh Gates had an episode with the same evidence a few years ago.


Yep. If memory serves I think the theory from that episode was that they had an especially bad storm season and/or unusually brutal cold which depleted their supplies so they took refuge with the Croatoan population they had been friendly with.

The Croatoan island (now called Cape Hatteras), where they may have fled to, was 50-60 miles away. It may also be that once they got to Croatoan, they and the tribe determined to move to the mainland for some reason. This would explain why the subsequent expedition to Croatoan found no one (not even tribe members).

Along with all this, there are some DNA markers which may indicate some members of the Lumbee are descendants from the mixing of the Roanoke colonists and Croatoans.
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
5510 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 7:37 am to
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The balls on these people. I mean, where you lived sucked so badly you got on a fricking sailboat headed into never ending seas not knowing if you’d ever hit land again.

I can’t imagine it. I really cannot imagine the turmoil inside these people as they boarded to head over here. Just incredible story of how tough human beings are.

Its testament in their faith in God above. They felt the calling like to do as they were taught like so many before them on journeys around the world.

Doing this is in the blood of Western Europeans. Unlike any other bloodlines. Unfortunately, that is not understood by people who can't naturally comprehend it, therefore they look to diminish this history as a negative.
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
23716 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 7:44 am to
What I don’t get is how the Europeans and natives communicated in what seemed like a relatively advanced capacity with two languages that were completely foreign to the other.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17235 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 10:54 am to
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Its testament in their faith in God above.


100% believe this.

Only someone with faith in something bigger than themselves would have the courage.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17235 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 11:00 am to
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For the settlers, they’d already assimilated in with the natives and probably weren’t eager to upend their lives again and assimilate back with the English who’d essentially left them to fend for themselves for 3 years.


The psychological toll these people took wouldn’t have allowed them to change allegiances at this point. They survived something no one survives statistically.

These people were straight up gangsters.

Every single one of them tough as 3 inch steel
This post was edited on 6/8/25 at 11:01 am
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17235 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 11:01 am to
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The trip was supposed to be quick (for 1580's), but England and Spain started to throw hands,


That gotta stop having soccers matches before scheduled voyages.

I kid I kid.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
82778 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 11:33 am to
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and bred TF out of the women

The Euros were seen as gross, smelly, and ugly compared to the native FWIW.

If native men were turned off by white women, then that’d be the first time in history such a thing happened. Men will frick anything.
Posted by Woolfpack
Member since Jun 2021
1452 posts
Posted on 6/8/25 at 12:13 pm to

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How does one even know what supplies to get when you’re gonna be gone 3 years.


Id think its a safe bet to put ketchup on the list.
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