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re: Morganza Spillway may or may not open for a 3rd time -- lack of clear info from ACoE

Posted on 6/2/19 at 11:41 am to
Posted by Bullfrog
Running Through the Wet Grass
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 6/2/19 at 11:41 am to
Or you could say less water is needed to reach higher on the water height gauge, possibly because the channel is filling in and sediment is sitting at the bottom, displacing the water.
This post was edited on 6/2/19 at 11:42 am
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 12:12 pm to
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Is this supposed to make sense?


I meant that measured discharge is below predicted (calculated) discharge.
This post was edited on 6/2/19 at 12:14 pm
Posted by ellishughtiger
70118
Member since Jul 2004
21135 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 12:21 pm to
Taken from the Fly this morning. The river was about 2 feet from the embankment, I’ve never seen it this high.


Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
1428 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 12:23 pm to
As explained on the last page, calculated is not synonymous with predicted.
This post was edited on 6/2/19 at 12:23 pm
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
9911 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 12:52 pm to
Call me a nut or a loon, but could all the breaks in levees and New distributaries in Plaquemines Parish on the east side like Mardi Gras Pass slowing the flow of the river and causing sedimentation up the river.

I looked at the river levels near Venice and it doesn’t seem high which the gauge is at 3.6 feet this morning and it is still being impacted by the tides.

My point is that by allowing the river to flow unchecked in near Venice. The river is flowing slower causing sediment to fall at bottom creating a shallower channel upriver.

By the way has anyone taken recent photos of these areas. I wish Google Earth had more updated photography of all area. You would probably see nothing but water near Fort St. Philip.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
40223 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 1:10 pm to
quote:

Or you could say less water is needed to reach higher on the water height gauge, possibly because the channel is filling in and sediment is sitting at the bottom, displacing the water.


With water so high for so long, could the silting process have been aggravated and the silting process sped up?
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
1428 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

could all the breaks in levees and New distributaries in Plaquemines Parish on the east side like Mardi Gras Pass


My guess is that while that might lower the local water levels, it would actually serve to increase the slope of the water level, increasing flow. Still, that would be very localized.

As I understand it, a good bit of the sedimentation issues are related to the river responding to the man made meander cutoff program performed in the 30s & 40s.

Operation of the Morganza and Bonnie Carre also might cause acute sedimentation problems since they remove flow and therefore lower the sediment carrying capacity of the river. And since they mostly remove water from the upper portion of the water column, they don’t take a proportional amount of sediment with the flow. So it would tend to deposit near those structures...I think.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
9911 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 3:21 pm to
So, in other words, it is time to fire up that multi million dollar model at the water institute to test some theories out.

Also, it would be nice to do some new depth soundings to get a clearer picture of flow estimates to see if they are still accurate.

By the way, just crossed the Luling Bridge and the river current was very strong.
Posted by sosaysmorvant
River Parishes, LA
Member since Feb 2008
1412 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 3:27 pm to
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By the way, just crossed the Luling Bridge and the river current was very strong


Master of the Obvious
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
32307 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 4:57 pm to
Just driving by here... is there going to be a catastrophe, and if so, who is fricked? Obv haven’t been following this.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
60761 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 5:05 pm to
Despite lots of wish casting, not much is going to happen
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21434 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 6:20 pm to
quote:

Despite lots of wish casting, not much is going to happen


Oh man, thanks I was worried. Just let the corps know so they all can go home.
This post was edited on 6/2/19 at 6:22 pm
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
60761 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 6:30 pm to
Wrong. It’s because of the great job they have done we won’t have major issues in Louisiana
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20054 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 6:33 pm to
He is right though, unless this storm comes and just sits on us and drops tons of water this is a nothing event. Eventually the river change will happen but there isnt near enough water currently. And with all the refortifying that has been done at ORCS it will mostly be at a failure in the levee. A crevasse due to a sand boil, not the control structure failing.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8532 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 7:02 pm to
Everybody worries about the structure itself at old river, but nobody talks about the big bend just upstream. I don’t think this is the event to get really worried about but each one of these does add more silt and less water rises higher the next time it floods.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
24912 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 7:33 pm to
It is very simple. The river has been building up its bed for hundreds of years. Dredging negates that in the lower Mississippi river. Dredging isn't needed for tugs and barges up stream of Baton Rouge, therefore it isn't done up stream.

Eventually if nothing is done the Morganza spill will be to be opened for minor river events that aren't even news worthy.

So this means that one of two things must happen. Either the gov't will dredge from BR to above morganza or the river will change its route.

The only stop gap measure would be to change the law so that a larger portion of the flow should go down the Atchafalaya, even if only during times of high water.

But that will only delay the inevitable.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
45549 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 8:22 pm to
quote:

Master of the Obvious

He’s also a pretty good fisherman. A master baiter, if you will.
Posted by CaptainJ47
Gonzales
Member since Nov 2007
7619 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 9:58 pm to
Belle River is falling fast AF, finally. Down to its lowest level since 5/11
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
47608 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 10:02 pm to
quote:

The only stop gap measure would be to change the law so that a larger portion of the flow should go down the Atchafalaya, even if only during times of high water.
.

What law would this be?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 6/2/19 at 10:15 pm to
Flood control act of 1954
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