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re: Morganza Spillway may or may not open for a 3rd time -- lack of clear info from ACoE
Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:07 pm to nicholastiger
Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:07 pm to nicholastiger
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Sure are quick to open Bonnet Carre which Miss hates but they want to avoid the Morganza at all costs?
Hmm!
apples & oranges... apples & oranges
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Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:16 pm to bayou choupique
Pretty crazy game of chicken to play with the Mississippi. I thought they said earlier that if the structure is overtopped they would be unable to operate the bays?
Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:18 pm to LSU5508
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Well one harms Oysters and one destroys property. Its not that difficult of a decision.
It's also not a decision. When the river reaches "X" flow or "A" feet at New Orleans, Bonne Carre is opened. When the river reaches "Y" flow or "B" feet at Red River Landing, Morganza opens. When the river reaches "C" feet north of Morganza, it will passively overtop the fuse levee, breach it, and flow into the Western Atchafalaya floodplain.
The ACoE doesn't sit around all day on a whim deciding who to frick and when. If the river hits the prescribed triggers, they take the prescribed action. The ACoE tries its best to predict when they'll have to take action, but until the river measurements actually hit the triggers, they do nothing with the control structures. So, as flow they were expecting doesn't materialize, possibly because a lot of that flow is now fricking up parts of Arkansas and Missouri instead of flowing downriver, they wait. If the water isn't there, they do not operate structures just because they predicted they'd have to.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:25 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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NEW ORLEANS – Based on the current forecast, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is delaying operation of the Morganza Floodway until June 9, 2019. The Mississippi River is predicted to reach 60 feet at the structure on June 12, 2019 instead of the previously forecasted June 9, 2019. The Army Corps of Engineers only intends to operate the structure when needed as to not put additional water into the Atchafalaya Basin. We will continue to monitor the forecast daily. Updates will be provided on Facebook at facebook.com/usacenola, Twitter at twitter.com/teamneworleans and at www.usace.army.mil.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:28 pm to PipelineBaw
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Pretty crazy game of chicken to play with the Mississippi. I thought they said earlier that if the structure is overtopped they would be unable to operate the bays?
This isn't what they're doing. They're waiting for the levels to get to the point where they HAVE to open the Morganza to prevent it from being over topped. That way they don't put more water into the basin and flood way than they need to. If they opened it on the 6th before they HAVE to, then that's more time for water to just be spilling into the basin when it doesn't really have to in order to prevent any harm. In other words, it would actually do more harm than good.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:29 pm to TDsngumbo
Thanks for clearing that up. Just a lot of less than clear info coming from all over the place
Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:31 pm to PipelineBaw
I agree. The ACE isn't really being very clear with their decision making. Either that or the media isn't being very clear in their reporting.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:40 pm to TDsngumbo
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I agree. The ACE isn't really being very clear with their decision making. Either that or the media isn't being very clear in their reporting.
the people trying to report on this probably have no idea what all the jargon means... and that's what makes it confusing to viewers
Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:40 pm to LSUJuice
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You calculate that in common core, baw?
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Thank Gwad for the
Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:45 pm to LaBR4
TI-82?
Dilettante.
Dilettante.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:29 pm to nicholastiger
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Sure are quick to open Bonnet Carre which Miss hates but they want to avoid the Morganza at all costs?
Hmm!
Why do they hate it? Does it muddy up their beaches?
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:30 pm to uway
It is supposedly a detriment to the natural saltwater ecosystem of the Mississippi Sound area
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:35 pm to PipelineBaw
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”natural saltwater”
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:50 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Wonder if those levees failing in Missouri have anything to do with it being pushed back
The rainfall hasn't quite been what was expected a week ago. More importantly, it hasn't been in the areas where it needs to be to push the river higher.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:53 pm to slackster
Like I’ve been saying all the chicken littling is not represented in the measurements on the river. Despite people begging for widespread flooding you aren’t going to get it. Morganza won’t open until late June if ever.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:54 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Once they open that thing they cant close it until the river goes down
Is this confirmed true? If so, that's pretty interesting.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 5:02 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Like I’ve been saying all the chicken littling is not represented in the measurements on the river. Despite people begging for widespread flooding you aren’t going to get it.
What?
Posted on 6/3/19 at 5:03 pm to BeepNode
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Is this confirmed true? If so, that's pretty interesting.
They can open it and close gates as necessary.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 5:29 pm to TDsngumbo
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So if there is even a thought of a tropical system coming close to NOLA/SE LA, why would the corps not open up more bays in the BCS and try to lower the river levels? I can kind of understand not wanting to put water through Morganza unless absolutely needed, but BCS is only running half-way right now.
So if there is even a thought of a tropical system coming close to NOLA/SE LA, why would the corps not open up more bays in the BCS and try to lower the river levels? I can kind of understand not wanting to put water through Morganza unless absolutely needed, but BCS is only running half-way right now.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 5:33 pm to LSUFanHouston
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So if there is even a thought of a tropical system coming close to NOLA/SE LA, why would the corps not open up more bays in the BCS and try to lower the river levels? I can kind of understand not wanting to put water through Morganza unless absolutely needed, but BCS is only running half-way right now.
Because it doesn't really have an impact that far upstream.
Spillways only help places immediately upstream (Madrid/Cairo, for example) and obviously downstream.
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