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re: More strikes ahead? Teachers say they love their jobs but can't pay their bills, poll show

Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:33 am to
Posted by Jvalhenson
Member since Sep 2017
381 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:33 am to
That must be more of a local mentality there.....it is exactly the opposite here.....90% of teachers in my district are fully republican.....we do not see hardly of any of the left wing nonsense in my district that lots of people say they see around the country. I imagine it is more a sign of the general local area leanings vs a teacher thing based on what I see in my limited area.
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12418 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:35 am to
my sister in law is a high school teacher that makes about 55k a year in Alabama and is off work about 3 to 4 months a year. She is completely retarded with her money and has to always ask for help. She had a Grand Cherokee that was almost paid off so she went and traded it for a new two door Mercedes car that she can't maintain and has somehow justified it and claimed it will save her money.

She has two girls and rents a house for about 1k a month.

I don't know how this guy does his math to claim he makes 2.68 an hour but he is completely full of shite.
Posted by Baers Foot
Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Member since Dec 2011
3917 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:49 am to
Stealing from another poster: going bear hunting with a stick. Teachers get thrown into a room and their authority stripped from them due to liability issues. My wife told me that she can't even keep a kid from going to recess as punishment (was her last tool to keep a kid accountable).

I think my wife would probably choose to advocate more for the return of teacher autonomy in the classroom rather than more pay.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25427 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:51 am to
According to the BLS in 2017 the median salary for kindergarten and elementary teachers was $56,900. The median salary for high school teachers was $59,170.

For contrast, the median salary for accountants and auditors was $69,350.

This all seems to be around a middle class type of salary. Plus teachers do get the time off.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43463 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:53 am to
quote:

According to the BLS in 2017 the median salary for kindergarten and elementary teachers was $56,900. The median salary for high school teachers was $59,170.

For contrast, the median salary for accountants and auditors was $69,350.

This all seems to be around a middle class type of salary. Plus teachers do get the time off.


Does that include all benefits or salary only?

Because we seem to be forgetting about benefits that have monetary value.
Posted by LSUsmartass
Scompton
Member since Sep 2004
82745 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:55 am to
Pretty sure those median salary figures are skewed because of large population centers like NYC and LA with a higher cost of living and larger wages for everyone across the board...maybe look up median salary for teachers in southeast region
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25427 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:57 am to
quote:

I would guess if you went to any place of employment and asked the workers if they felt fairly compensated, you would get the same exact answers.

Most people feel they should be paid more. With teachers, the only way to get raises is let people hear it as in the public. Same with police and firefighters


That's probably fair.
Posted by Cole Beer
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
4904 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:58 am to
Instead of allocating so much money for border security and the military, I say we help out the teachers and other fellow Americans who are in need.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25427 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:59 am to
I'd say that only includes salary. Pretty sure those BLS stats don't track the benefits.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43463 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 9:02 am to
Teachers are exempt from the 7.5% FICA deduction right?
Posted by LSUsmartass
Scompton
Member since Sep 2004
82745 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 9:07 am to
quote:

Teachers are exempt from the 7.5% FICA deduction right?



Yes, they swap it out with a nearly 10% mandatory retirement system contribution
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25427 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 9:08 am to
Well, yeah, they're national stats, and this was a national discussion. You can also say that the lower paying states are pulling down the higher paying states.

For example, according to BLS OES stats (ETA: for Louisiana), the mean (could not find median right now) for elementary teachers is $48,310. For secondary teachers it is $50,700.

Again for reference, for accountants and auditors it is $65,930.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 9:20 am
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43463 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 9:23 am to
quote:

Yes, they swap it out with a nearly 10% mandatory retirement system contribution


Look at it as the equivalent to paying the normal 7.5% FICA plus 2.5% 401k

What about the pension? What percentage of salary is paid out after retirement? (I am asking questions to understand and not make claims on something I don't know.)
Posted by Jvalhenson
Member since Sep 2017
381 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 9:25 am to
Depends how many years you have in. I can retire at 25 years but it is a low pension. At 28 years it takes a good jump up. Not sure the exact numbers but I know it is a significant difference if i go to 28 vs 25.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43463 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 9:32 am to
quote:

Depends how many years you have in. I can retire at 25 years but it is a low pension. At 28 years it takes a good jump up. Not sure the exact numbers but I know it is a significant difference if i go to 28 vs 25.


Is it supplemental to Social Security? Or do yall have some other bucket equivalent to SSec plus your pension?

Because long term speaking, if you get both, you are set up pretty freaking amazing considering other professions.

Posted by LSUisKING
Edgard
Member since Dec 2007
3038 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 9:34 am to
2.5% of salary per year worked.

Teachers in Louisiana do not pay into SS and do not receive it upon retirement unless he/she worked another job that DOES pay into SS long enough to draw.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 9:37 am
Posted by LSUsmartass
Scompton
Member since Sep 2004
82745 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 9:35 am to
I guess that varies from state to state, and retirement system to retirement system...here in Louisiana you can retire with 20 years in the system or 5 years at age 60 with a reduced payout...need 30 years for full payout
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53480 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 9:36 am to
quote:


You mean after they get off 2 hours before the regular workday?


Lots of teachers bitch with no logical basis.

But you are saying this as if they don’t start 2 hours before the “regular” workday starts.
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
10296 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 9:37 am to
Teachers get relatively low pay and low respect for the amount of BS they have to put up with on a daily basis.

For anywhere from 35,000 to 50,000 a year they have to put up with school administration, government overreach, bratty kids, and helicopter parents.

There's little respect or admiration for what they do from the outside world simply because they get months off in the summer.
Posted by LSUisKING
Edgard
Member since Dec 2007
3038 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 9:37 am to
You do not get a "full payout" at 30 years...
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