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re: Montana O&G Industry Restarts Dormant Oil Wells Amid Biden's Gas Price Explosion

Posted on 3/13/22 at 3:46 pm to
Posted by bong water tiger
Member since Mar 2022
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Posted on 3/13/22 at 3:46 pm to
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were "energy independent".


We have always consumed more oil than we produced.
Posted by Blutarsky
112th Congress
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/13/22 at 3:46 pm to
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but i thought gas prices were sky high all over the world, not just in America


The US is the largest producer, but OPEC operates in unison to control the price.

Inhibiting our current and future production plays a huge factor in oil price.
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Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
3875 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 3:53 pm to
WTI Crude Oil (Nymex) USD/bbl. 109.33
Brent Crude (ICE) USD/bbl. 112.67

We drill and run or economics on the price of a barrel of crude oil or mcf of natural gas…

Not what you pay for the gasoline you put in your vehicle .. what taxes they pay for on their gasoline in California or Brazil makes no difference to the economics determining if if will be spudding a well.
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 3/13/22 at 5:43 pm to
At what point does drilling for fossil fuels cost-effectively thus generating significant income for an individual State, become a State’s-right issue? Especially when the federal epa is blowing political smoke up asses?
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/13/22 at 6:26 pm to
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At what point does drilling for fossil fuels cost-effectively thus generating significant income for an individual State, become a State’s-right issue? Especially when the federal epa is blowing political smoke up asses?


That is a good question, and I don't know all the back history and any court challenges to the EPA's authority, but it seems that stuff has been taken out of the individual states' hands a long time ago, and unfortunately, it seems in some instances is negatively affecting the right of some of these states to make income.

Now from the perspective of Federal Lands where the Federal Government (Dept. of Interior) is able to impose its will and approve or deny lease sales, drill permits, infrastructure ROWs, etc., even if the states told the oil & gas companies to "go for it", I doubt you'd see industry outright deciding to trespass on Federal Lands. That's a property rights issue, and in those instances, the Feds own the property.

We'll see how the API lawsuit and other such suits for new leases pans out. That's the way industry is going to fight those restrictions.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/13/22 at 6:41 pm to
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That term keeps getting thrown around, but what we really reached for a brief period of time was being a net exporter of petroleum products. We were still buying foreign oil.


I understand that, my question is why is it that our government insisted on shutting down the keystone pipeline and pushing banks to not offer lending to our own oil and gas industry, whilst simultaneously punishing Russia by not buying their oil. Then turning around and buying oil from Venezuela and Iran. Does that make any sense?
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52409 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 6:44 pm to
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But we have been as recently as two years ago completely energy independent. What changed?

What changed is we had a pandemic and oil and gas prices dropped to near zero. When that happened ALL oil companies stopped spending on E&P. Supplies will always drop unless E&P is actively pursued, therefore SUPPLIES DROPPED.

I keep telling you idiots that Biden had almost nothing to do with the shortfall, just as Trump had almost nothing to do with the surplus. It was the free market booming on the discovery of fracking horizontal wells, then the free market responding to the shock of the pandemic. Now the free market is responding to the shortfall, and in one year we will have a surplus EVEN THOUGH BIDEN IS A DICK!

I realize this is doing no good. You will continue to force fit the facts to your ideological narrative, but there it is. Biden is definitely pursuing policies that will depress oil and gas production, but the negative effects are still about two years away.
Posted by Tigerfan1274
Member since May 2019
4454 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 6:57 pm to
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Treat the regulations like suggestions and drill, baby, drill.
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Sounds great, but publicly traded companies can’t thumb their nose at regulations. Private companies are another story.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
17127 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:24 pm to
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I keep telling you idiots that Biden had almost nothing to do with the shortfall


Slow down there, no need to use the rhetoric of a child.

So you are saying that there is absolutely nothing that Biden has done that has an impact on the price of oil/gas? Does this also mean that his policies have no impact on the prices of other things? Such as the price of food, and other items? We are currently seeing inflation at record levels, why is that?
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
10954 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:32 pm to
Cuz it sounds good to some of his voters
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27615 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:33 pm to
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So you are saying that there is absolutely nothing that Biden has done that has an impact on the price of oil/gas? Does this also mean that his policies have no impact on the prices of other things? Such as the price of food, and other items?


No, what he/she said was:

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Biden had almost nothing to do with the shortfall


And AT THIS TIME, that statement would be correct. Now...future barrels from cancelled Keystone XL, future barrels from oil & gas offshore leases that have been cancelled, potential holdups on Federal APDs...that will certainly pay a role in any future shortfalls in production.

As for his policies having something to do with commodity prices, whether barrels of oil or chicken at the grocery store, of course it's having an affect. Devaluation of the dollar by virtue of printing trillions and handing out billions to Americans in the name of stimulus has absolutely reared its ugly head.
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Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120306 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:38 pm to
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Im definitely no fan of Biden, but i thought gas prices were sky high all over the world, not just in America ? Please correct me if im wrong .


It was, but simple minds need simple explanations and just blaming whatever president is in office works (except for Trump. If Trump was still in office they would blame something else. For some reason Trump gets a pass).
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
17127 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:40 pm to
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Biden had almost nothing to do with the shortfall


Has he or his administration done anything to improve the situation? Other than buying from dictators in Venezuela and Iran (both of whom support Putin so it makes no sense).

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As for his policies having something to do with commodity prices, whether barrels of oil or chicken at the grocery store, of course it's having an affect. Devaluation of the dollar by virtue of printing trillions and handing out billions to Americans in the name of stimulus has absolutely reared its ugly head.


Then why the emotional reaction?
80% of all the money in circulation has been created since 2020. This is having a massive impact. But to call it out somehow warrants an emotional, childlike response?
This post was edited on 3/13/22 at 7:46 pm
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
17127 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:42 pm to
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It was, but simple minds need simple explanations and just blaming whatever president is in office works (except for Trump. If Trump was still in office they would blame something else. For some reason Trump gets a pass).


By every measurable statistic, the economy of the United States was the best in recorded history during trump’s presidency. More jobs available than people to fill them. Actual wage growth. Benefiting all races. So tell me, does trump deserve credit for that?
This post was edited on 3/13/22 at 7:43 pm
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11869 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:49 pm to
Coming back online right when growth is slowing. Perfect
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32761 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:49 pm to
It’s well known that shale needs $80/gal to operate. And shale is a terrible thing for our beautiful country. I’m usually pro-drilling, but shale is a different beast. Most oil drilling is deep and has little effect on the surface. Shale is the opposite - it’s extremely shallow and destroys the surface of the land. It’s extremely low volume in any one spot, so the harvesting is constantly moving. Shale fields are known as such because after shale is taken, the remaining is absolute worthless and altered permanently. Anyone that’s not knowledgeable about shale should read up on it or watch some videos. It’s an incredibly inefficient and destructive process
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
17127 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:59 pm to
How does it destroy the surface?
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
Member since Jun 2004
194855 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:59 pm to
well Thank god you're here to remind us what a charlatan he is
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20581 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 8:00 pm to
I think you're confusing oil sands and shale.
Posted by BigAppleTiger
New York City
Member since Dec 2008
10940 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 8:05 pm to
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By every measurable statistic, the economy of the United States was the best in recorded history during trump’s presidency. More jobs available than people to fill them. Actual wage growth. Benefiting all races. So tell me, does trump deserve credit for that?



He walked into a record breaking economy. The stock market and oil production were the highest in recorded history when he took office. He oversaw the highest spending and accumulation of debt in the history of the USA, even after the 2008 crash. I'm not even talking about politics, just business.
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