re: MLB Warns Giants Pitchers Who Wore Bible Verses on Caps During ‘Pride Night’

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Are you a “slavery is inherently and objectively immoral” guy or an “it was the times” guy?

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I’ll answer after you define “objectively.” Otherwise we’re just throwing the word around. :-)

Standard definition.

Is slavery moral or immoral?

Simply no way I'd play that night....sorry coach, stomach virus and shitting ever 10 minutes.

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what makes slavery objectively immoral

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I’ll admit that when I read this my first instinct was to chuckle, but I really gave it some thought and eventually felt like I was trying to describe a color without using the name of the color

But it’s a good question. Ultimately I think it’s objectively immoral in biblical times for all the same reasons it was objectively immoral before the civil war and is objectively immoral now. The loss of human rights and dignity, being treated as property, forced servitude; being used as a sex slave like Hagar (or that little Indian boy from JP Morgan) or having rules for how long/hard one can be beaten before it becomes a crime.

The fact that the people of that time period were less aware and less evolved is more of an explanation than an exoneration.

I get your point. The Bible is a historical series of texts more than anything, and that was without question the cultural norm at the time. It was basically never rebuked or condemned from what I can remember, and I think that’s hard for some folks to stomach given that the institution doesn’t really jive with the “main character” and his teachings.

If we view everything through the lens of what was acceptable in the time period, then it’s hard to label anything as wrong unless explicitly stated in the text at the time, right? That feels like it’s probably not the best way to approach things, either.

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remember my baseball coaches in HS making us do this, so I’m not surprised

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Coach Moock used to shout “what is this, a circle jerk” when we would gather in the OF during BP. Another Moockism: “All you guys ever talk about is pussy. One day you’ll come to know the joy of a nice long shite”.

Its kinda funny that all of this is having an opposite effect than what they thought.

I'm sure those with the Giants that made the decision to have these hats made thought this would show love and support to the gays. Now it has just magnified how much these baseball players do not support the gays.

Imagine if they hadn't said a word about these players writing Bible verses on their hats. No one would know about actual MLB players stance on this pride month shite. or better yet, not have the damn hats made.

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I think we’ve moved into a genuine philosophical question.

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I had the same thought when I was working through my reply.

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(And I’m certainly not qualified to answer it)

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Nor am I

Good stuff. I appreciate it.

I’ll say this and then I’ll stop yapping: I also have a hard time looking back in the past and litigating every word someone says an indictment of their character. That’s not what I’m doing here, at least not intentionally. I try to separate the act or the quote or the verbiage from the person.

Hell there’s stuff I said on this board 10 years ago that I wouldn’t say now, and we are talking about things that happened centuries and millenniums apart.

In regards to the Bible, I think there’s some not so great stuff in there, but I’d never advocate that the people of the time were bad or inherently evil just because they engaged in things that are viscerally unacceptable to me and my 2026 brain.

The gay lettering on the Giants uniform isn’t part of any official uniform, but is an addition to promote the LGBT agenda. I don’t see why players putting on an addition to promote Christianity is any different.