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re: Millennials Work Harder for the Same Pay Their Parents Did
Posted on 3/7/16 at 6:24 pm to kingbob
Posted on 3/7/16 at 6:24 pm to kingbob
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Every other entry level job required 3-5 years of relevent experience, causing every applicant to get funnelled to the few that don't require that.
Well, you really think one learns what the real world wants in the work force in school?
Hell, I trained to many know it all's right out of school that didn't know how to wipe there own arse, but et wanted top pay. 
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 6:24 pm to Asgard Device
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Millennials complain about immigrant labor undercutting them while buying newer cookie cutter style homes built with Mexican labor.
Only thing we can afford
Vicious cycle!
Posted on 3/7/16 at 6:24 pm to gaetti15
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100K in Baton Rouge is roughly equivalent to 140K in Anchorage or Juneau
Housing prices are awful in JNU. Worse than Anchorage. Probably due to a lack of available land. It's mostly mountain, water and perm. Ice
You can make six figs mining almost anywhere out west. Start off around 60k but bump you about 8-10k a year til you reach 100k. It levels off after that
Posted on 3/7/16 at 6:28 pm to fishfighter
The problem is the schools. They pump you up with all that shite to sell enrollment.
I've always preached that out of school, go for experience first. Go somewhere where you'll be challenged early and often. The pay will come.
I've always preached that out of school, go for experience first. Go somewhere where you'll be challenged early and often. The pay will come.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 6:29 pm to LoveThatMoney
Overall production is up because automation is better. This is a true statement.
Let's say you work in a bread factory. In your parents day all activities were manual. They were as efficient as the least efficient person. Now all that is automated and it's more efficient with better production.
This same factory still has light bulbs and pumps that need to be changed. Your dad who made 19.60 an hour would go change the lightbulb by himself and then change the pump when he got done with the bulb. When he was done both the light and the pump were correctly installed and he took pride in it.
Now, it takes 4 people to change the bulb and they do it 4 times slower. Guess what, those people don't know what a pump is much less how to align it. It takes 3 different people to change that pump out and 9 times out of 10 it's either misaligned or the seal is set up wrong. When they get done, they Bitch about how they should be making more money because they have "skills".
Let's say you work in a bread factory. In your parents day all activities were manual. They were as efficient as the least efficient person. Now all that is automated and it's more efficient with better production.
This same factory still has light bulbs and pumps that need to be changed. Your dad who made 19.60 an hour would go change the lightbulb by himself and then change the pump when he got done with the bulb. When he was done both the light and the pump were correctly installed and he took pride in it.
Now, it takes 4 people to change the bulb and they do it 4 times slower. Guess what, those people don't know what a pump is much less how to align it. It takes 3 different people to change that pump out and 9 times out of 10 it's either misaligned or the seal is set up wrong. When they get done, they Bitch about how they should be making more money because they have "skills".
Posted on 3/7/16 at 6:37 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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The problem is the schools. They pump you up with all that shite to sell enrollment.
College is not job training. Getting a college degree is supposed to mean you are trainable in a position relevant to your field of study.
The problem is that most companies have no freaking clue or motivation to properly cultivate the talent that is coming out of America's colleges.
Yes, to accommodate more and more attending college, standards have gone down over the years, but there's still some bright kids graduating school who are forced to flip burgers because they don't have 5 years experiencing running some industry-specific software program that Bille Sue ran before she retired last April and no one else in the company has any idea what Billie Sue even did when she came to work every day.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 6:53 pm to LoveThatMoney
My dad worked way harder than me.
He grew up in a trailer park, was the only one in his family to go to college, and now enjoys a six-figure job. My sister and I didn't have to want for anything and we always got what we wanted if it was within reason.
He grew up in a trailer park, was the only one in his family to go to college, and now enjoys a six-figure job. My sister and I didn't have to want for anything and we always got what we wanted if it was within reason.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:41 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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then you're not paying attention or you don't know very many millenials.
All of my nieces and nephews are millenials; the ones who have graduated from college are doing quite well, as are my younger cousins. I'm sure when my son and his cousin get their engineering degrees, they'll do fine as well. I imagine a lot has to do with career choice. We'll see...
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:43 pm to RollTide1987
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My sister and I didn't have to want for anything and we always got what we wanted if it was within reason.
What does that matter? Do you work less/less hard than your dad or not?
Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:43 pm to BulldogXero
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College is not job training. Getting a college degree is supposed to mean you are trainable in a position relevant to your field of study.
The problem is that most companies have no freaking clue or motivation to properly cultivate the talent that is coming out of America's colleges.
Yes, to accommodate more and more attending college, standards have gone down over the years, but there's still some bright kids graduating school who are forced to flip burgers because they don't have 5 years experiencing running some industry-specific software program that Bille Sue ran before she retired last April and no one else in the company has any idea what Billie Sue even did when she came to work every day.
One of the better comments in this thread.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:45 pm to kingbob
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All of this. If you want to know one of the major factors, it's actually illegal immigration and corporate abuse of the H1B1 system.
Illegals from Mexico are the reason kids with grad degrees can't get jobs?
Posted on 3/7/16 at 8:03 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Millennials Work Harder
Posted on 3/7/16 at 8:05 pm to mattz1122
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Illegals from Mexico are the reason kids with grad degrees can't get jobs?
Illegals soak up the seasonal and minimum wage jobs which teenagers and college students used to use to get experience and pay for school.
H1B1's are really the ones f&%king them after they graduate.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 8:08 pm to kingbob
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Illegals soak up the seasonal and minimum wage jobs which teenagers and college students used to use to get experience and pay for school.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 8:16 pm to kingbob
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Illegals soak up the seasonal and minimum wage jobs which teenagers and college students used to use to get experience and pay for school.
Not really. Students don't have issues finding and getting minimum wage jobs. The issue is paying for the $10,000/semester tuition. Either way, minimum wage jobs aren't padding resumes.
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H1B1's are really the ones f&%king them after they graduate.
I seriously doubt they're putting a major dent in the entry-level skilled workforce.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 8:29 pm to LoveThatMoney
College degrees are obviously not worth what they once were.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 8:37 pm to BulldogXero
That's correct. I couldn't find a job with a year and a half of working in the same industry because companies were all trying to hire people with 3-5 years of experience.....but bitching how they didn't have anyone applying or any qualified people applying the entire time. I was as good as it gets for "entry level" pay, but they didn't want that. They wanted someone more experienced, but who would settle for entry level pay
Posted on 3/7/16 at 8:59 pm to fishfighter
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Hell, I trained to many know it all's right out of school that didn't know how to wipe there own arse, but et wanted top pay.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:02 pm to fishfighter
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Hell, I trained to many know it all's right out of school that didn't know how to wipe there own arse
Good god
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:16 pm to BulldogXero
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Yes, to accommodate more and more attending college, standards have gone down over the years, but there's still some bright kids graduating school who are forced to flip burgers because they don't have 5 years experiencing running some industry-specific software program that Bille Sue ran before she retired last April and no one else in the company has any idea what Billie Sue even did when she came to work every day.
Because Billie Sue didn't do a frickin thing besides that one menial task, and she was in an office full of people with a similar, singular focus in their job. Now, Billie Sue and half a dozen other people are retired or dead, and it's up to one late 20's college grad to do all of their work for 60% of the pay, because some buttfricking boomer wants to slim down his company's financial burden so it'll look good for the coming merger and his retirement portfolio.
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