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re: Millennials earn 20% less than baby boomers did—despite being better educated

Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:23 am to
Posted by N2cars
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:23 am to
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He’s actually involved in the software industry, so I’m pretty sure he understands the concept of business process with software integration.



Yeah, I should've rephrased.

"You" = admins in education
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:27 am to
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why do you keep saying this when it's absurd and completely untrue? 


Emotion driven drivel.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:28 am to
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dude it’s roger. This is his entire schtick.


Look at that irony
Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
17836 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:29 am to
if you can't recognize that there are stark differences in our culture, education, and society from when you grew up, you need to be checked into a mental institution dude

I say that with sincerity
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 11:34 am
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38892 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:30 am to
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You are very likely part of the problem.


Boomers and their assumptions.

1) I do ACTUALLY have an MA in literature, and YES I did want to be a College Professor, I quickly exited when I saw what it was really like, however....

2) I worked in administration/online learning and trying to help lowering the cost of college and hoping to help people get back to college since everyone needed a degree. But I knew I couldn't do enough...

3) So I sold out and left for software/startups

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I've met very few people in Education who had any clue as to how business or the real world actually functioned.


This isn't wrong, and most of these, again, are Boomers. (Edit: I should say "were" Boomers. The explosion of services tuition was mainly a 1999-2012-ish timeline when Boomers were the primary administrative workforce in institutions. That expansion has slowed as Gen Xers moved into positions.)

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The extraordinary lack of cost control and integrity that I have run across at bastions of higher learning is incredible.


Driven by artificially driving up "demand" via free federal funds/student debt.

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I am not at all surprised at the ridiculous price of tuition.



You also shouldn't be surprised that the value of a degree is less, regardless of increased cost because more people have degrees now. All Boomer policies.

This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 11:37 am
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:33 am to
Ok boomer
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:37 am to
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Freauxzen


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I do ACTUALLY have an MA in literature


:thisismysurprisedfacebutsarcastic:

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YES I did want to be a College Professor


But even that was too much real "work" for you, eh?

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I quickly exited when I saw what it was really like


Nailed it.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
40355 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:39 am to
We actually agree on more than things than I think we realize.


Just blaming boomwrs for everything is oversimplification, but you know that. ( I think)
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41677 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:43 am to
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Moar victinization!.

Must be awful to be so helpless over your own destiny.


Most 20somethings aren't in charge of their own career destiny, you doofus.

Think back to when you were that age.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:44 am to
We can't all aspire to be a park ranger.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:48 am to
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Just blaming boomwrs for everything is oversimplification


True.

Just as it’s true that “You are 100% personally responsible for every life outcome and situation you ever find yourself in and external factors beyond your control don’t exist” is an oversimplification/complete falsehood.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38892 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:48 am to
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:thisismysurprisedfacebutsarcastic:


Ah, you're one of those. That's sad. We need Lit degrees, we need Chemistry degrees. We need engineering degrees.

Thinking that everyone only needs a STEM degree is JUST as misguided as people who think Feminist Theory degrees are valuable. There are a few important types of thinking that we should heartily encourage. Literature/Rhetoric is one of them.

You realize Literature/Rhetoric was an original college degree in this country?

Law
Literature/Rhetoric
Anatomy/Medical
Science
Divinity

Do you also realize that Literature is the 2nd or 3rd most popular degree for Business Exec positions?

Probably not, Boomer.


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But even that was too much real "work" for you, eh?


What does this even mean? That I didn't want to work? Or that professors don't work?

A college professor would be a great job if it were treated correctly and if the 60s wouldn't have ruined college and politicized it. Studying the great works of literature, and understanding how we communicate ideas across time is an extremely important and human endeavor. As a subject now, it isn't that anymore.

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Nailed it.


What it was "really like," means an overly politicized environment that over-valued personal research and under-valued the actual act of teaching the right subject matter to the right kinds of students free of expectations.

That comment has nothing to do with the supposed work, and more to do with what it had become as an industry.
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 11:54 am
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 11:49 am to
Roger can’t think back to that age because he was too loaded to actually develop memories.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:02 pm to
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College Debt wasn't a thing. Now it is. Things change.


15% mortgage rates were a thing.

Things change, some for the better.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:05 pm to
Lol we've been through this with you.

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46697 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:12 pm to
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There are a few important types of thinking that we should heartily encourage. Literature/Rhetoric is one of them.


And this discipline, along with History, Psychology, Philosophy, etc. have all been co-opted by intersectional and critical race theory, all used to to justify the social justice movement.

The humanities are dead. They have been for at least 20 years now.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
96252 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:13 pm to
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Ah, you're one of those. That's sad.


I'm not one of those. I'm fricking with you based on your posts on other boards.

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Probably not, Boomer.


Nope.

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That I didn't want to work?


See above - fricking with you.

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What it was "really like," means an overly politicized environment that over-valued personal research and under-valued the actual act of teaching the right subject matter to the right kinds of students free of expectations.


In all seriousness, I completely agree. I once noodled on pursuing a PhD and being a college professor, but all of these same concerns existed then and are much, much worse now.

I might consider being an adjunct professor, "instructor", perhaps volunteering to lead specialized seminars in military history, but a full track/tenured professor? Too much sugar for a dime.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:35 pm to
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Lol we've been through this with you. 


And you're still crying.

You're not a victim, you've just been conditioned to feel like it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:41 pm to
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college professor would be a great job


You chose poorly. Get over it
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46697 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 12:44 pm to
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I might consider being an adjunct professor, "instructor", perhaps volunteering to lead specialized seminars in military history, but a full track/tenured professor? Too much sugar for a dime.


A side gig as an adjunct teaching online is nice.

Trust me.
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