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re: Millennials are the worst when it comes to tipping
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:10 am to finchmeister08
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:10 am to finchmeister08
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if i go to lunch with 5 other people that tip $2+, that's a pretty hefty tip. frick you entitled little bitches that think you're worth more than that. get a real job.
a 6 top deserves more than 2 bucks from everyone
get a real job? says the douche that tips $2
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:10 am to Scruffy
The thing is, the laws relating to payment for tipped employees and the effect of tipping is not even the same across the USA-- each state is different.
In most states down south, people in "tip" positions can (and do) get paid the minimum "cash wage" ($2.13) under the federal Fair Labor Standards Act, and the remaining $5.12/hr. to get to the federal minimum wage ($7.12/hr.) is expected to be made up by tips.
Mostly in states out west, employers must pay their tipped employees not only the full FEDERAL minimum wage before tips, but that own state's minimum wage. So in Seattle (Washington State) servers are getting $11.00 an hour PLUS tips.
Other states are in between, requiring employers to pay something more than the federal $2.13 minimum.
In most states down south, people in "tip" positions can (and do) get paid the minimum "cash wage" ($2.13) under the federal Fair Labor Standards Act, and the remaining $5.12/hr. to get to the federal minimum wage ($7.12/hr.) is expected to be made up by tips.
Mostly in states out west, employers must pay their tipped employees not only the full FEDERAL minimum wage before tips, but that own state's minimum wage. So in Seattle (Washington State) servers are getting $11.00 an hour PLUS tips.
Other states are in between, requiring employers to pay something more than the federal $2.13 minimum.
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 10:17 am
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:11 am to flyAU
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Groups of white women are the worst when it comes to tipping
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There are a few groups that occupy this space. This is but one of them.
Groups of white women.
African Americans.
Super-religious people.
The larger the group of any of the above, the lower the tip. When you have a "15% Gratuity is automatically added to bills of 6 or more", expect an argument or complaint from all of the above.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:11 am to GreatLakesTiger24
I thought 20% was the max. That's the standard now?
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 10:12 am
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:11 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Do you not understand that you and other guy are arguing one percentage and calling that a "standard" whereas I'm arguing a range? Most of the time, we pay the high number (as a norm) on that range. Hence, the norm. It's not like anybody "moved the baseline". It's been that way for a long time. If you get below average service, you pay ~15 percent. And sometimes, you can flat out pay 10 percent. Your choice.
Do you not understand the difference of baseline 15 and baseline 20?
But whatever you pay, it's always been the case that 20 percent is what you pay most of the time, provided service is good. For as long as I can remember eating out and paying for my own food, as opposed to being a child and having parents pay for me.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:13 am to Jester
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fricking shithole restaurants don't pay their staff and then "suggest" you do it for them. The whole tipping society we have become is fricking stupid. We should do like Europe and just include a decent wage for wait staff.
And you're fine with the price of your meal going up 15-20% to compensate the increased wages?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:14 am to castorinho
quote:Yeah, as has been the case for the last 30 years.
Meaning if you're tipping 15-20 (under 20), it's "frowned upon."
Do YOU understand now?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:14 am to Displaced
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I would 100% prefer this. The servers don't though.
Of course they don't. They'll end up losing hours because management will be watching their hours more closely if the restaurant is paying $15/hour instead of $2.15. As soon as the main lunch or dinner rush starts to slow down, managers will be quicker to start sending servers home. And good servers would make less on a flat hourly wage than they would on tips.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:15 am to RealityTiger
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Do you not understand that you and other guy are arguing one percentage and calling that a "standard" whereas I'm arguing a range?
Did you not read the article? It put the baseline for the standard at 20.
You then tried to argue it was the standard and then provided a range, that by the articles own definition, would be regarded as a sub standard tip.
Sorry you can't see that you are making the poster's point.
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If you get below average service, you pay ~15 percent.
Now you're moving your goalposts. First, standard was 15-20. That would mean 15-20% for standard service. Now you are arguing that 15% is for substandard service. Keep your argument consistent.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:15 am to Centinel
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And you're fine with the price of your meal going up 15-20% to compensate the increased wages?
Absolutely. Why wouldn't I be? I already tip around 20%. Adding it into food/drink costs just keeps me from having to subsidize a bunch of cheapskates.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:16 am to GoCrazyAuburn
At this point, dude is just messing with us 
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:16 am to finchmeister08
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get a real job.
how is waiting tables not a real job? You use them, don't you? Plus, many are college aged or simply inexperienced due to age.
You're a frickstain.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:17 am to TH03
I always tip 18%. I just understand that the 18-35 range will always tip less than the 40+ range because I'm not an idiot
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:18 am to Jester
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Absolutely. Why wouldn't I be? I already tip around 20%. Adding it into food/drink costs just keeps me from having to subsidize a bunch of cheapskates.
Imo, you would get shittier service across the board.
They have to work for the 20% as of now. If you just give it to them, whats the incentive to give good service?
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:18 am to TH03
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plus, if i go to lunch with 5 other people that tip $2+, that's a pretty hefty tip
Wow $12 whole dollars for waiting on 6 of you assholes
And the server probably only pockets $7-8 of that $12 because they have to tip-out the hostess, bartender, table busser, and kitchen staff too. People who never worked restaurants don't realize this part.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:19 am to Jester
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Absolutely. Why wouldn't I be? I already tip around 20%. Adding it into food/drink costs just keeps me from having to subsidize a bunch of cheapskates.
1. No one is making you go out to eat.
2. If the money you pay is the same, why the frick does it matter?
I’d rather vote with my wallet on who gives the best service. A shitty server shouldn’t get the same wage as the excellent one.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:19 am to Jester
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Absolutely. Why wouldn't I be? I already tip around 20%. Adding it into food/drink costs just keeps me from having to subsidize a bunch of cheapskates.
Yep. Honestly, it probably wouldn't even have to go up that much if it is spread out across all items, but even so, I'd have no issue with that. Considering how popular counter ordering style places are now that are already paying their people minimum wage, there are less and less places this would actually make a big difference with.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:19 am to AbitaFan08
quote:I've gone to 0% a few times, but they have to really earn that. I very rarely go lower than 20%, and I'd say that has more to do with your upbringing than age
I’m a millennial and the service has to be next to abysmal for me to not tip at least 20%.
Eta: I tipped $0 on a $125 bill at Luke a few years back. Had to get up multiple times to get my own drinks, and had to keep asking other waitstaff to get my food and the gf's wine. I saw the waiter twice that night. Once when he took our order after 30 minutes of sitting there, and once when he brought the bill
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 10:27 am
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:20 am to Tiger Prawn
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because they have to tip-out the hostess, bartender, table busser, and kitchen staff too.
Yep. Deservedly so though. The bartender makes drinks for every table in the place so they should get their share. Just no one ever thinks of that when they write their tip or leave cash.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:20 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Paying 20 percent on a tip has been a standard for a long time now.
Period.
I'll take the range out since I was confusing the shite out of you and the other guy.
Again, paying 20 percent tip has been a standard for a long time now.
And it's not like I was raised in NYC or anything. I was raised by two parents in extremely modest Baton Rouge, LA, and was taught that as a child. You pay 20 percent. Sometimes (obviously) you get shitty service and you choose to go below this. But don't go below 15%. That's where my "range" came from. But again, I'm confusing you and the other guy, and I apologize about that.
Once more, for repitition sake. I'm saying that 20 percent (99% of the time) has ALWAYS been the standard. Nobody came and "moved the goalpost" on that. If you were taught differently, you were taught by cheap parents.
Period.
I'll take the range out since I was confusing the shite out of you and the other guy.
Again, paying 20 percent tip has been a standard for a long time now.
And it's not like I was raised in NYC or anything. I was raised by two parents in extremely modest Baton Rouge, LA, and was taught that as a child. You pay 20 percent. Sometimes (obviously) you get shitty service and you choose to go below this. But don't go below 15%. That's where my "range" came from. But again, I'm confusing you and the other guy, and I apologize about that.
Once more, for repitition sake. I'm saying that 20 percent (99% of the time) has ALWAYS been the standard. Nobody came and "moved the goalpost" on that. If you were taught differently, you were taught by cheap parents.
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