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Millennial core development has destroyed major cities

Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:59 am
Posted by RaoulDuke504
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Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:59 am
Posted by RaoulDuke504
Member since Aug 2023
3148 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:00 am to
I thought Gen X stucco was awful but at least the contained it to the suburbs. This type of architecture is a disease that spread like cancer
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83602 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:03 am to
Poor Monday Night catching strays over this. And their brewery is fine, it's tucked into the natural landscape whether you like that industrial stuff or not.

The cheaply-clad apartments everywhere in new growth cities like Atlanta and Houston, however, are not fine. They'll age badly and look awful now.

As much as I'd love Atlanta and Dallas to build out city centers that look like Vienna or New England, it's just not terribly realistic.
Posted by RaoulDuke504
Member since Aug 2023
3148 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:08 am to
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As much as I'd love Atlanta and Dallas to build out city centers that look like Vienna or New England, it's just not terribly realistic.



This is a lie it’s just laziness from developers. They want quick, fast, and cheap to maximize profits. Then when the building eventually starts to degrade dump it on the next sucker.

It’s up to cities to protect their infrastructure from turning into commie blocks. In 20 years all these luxury apartments will be project buildings.
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
27705 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:11 am to
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It’s up to cities to protect their infrastructure from turning into commie blocks. In 20 years all these luxury apartments will be project buildings.


The government should tell private businesses how to aesthetically design their apartment buildings?
Posted by Cotten
Tennessee
Member since Jan 2018
1563 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:12 am to
If I had to guess, it’s not really “Millennial”, but more-so Private Equity. Their schtick seems to be they want everything to be the cheapest possible big arse gray box, then try to hide that by slapping some wood paneling on part of it and call it good like no one will notice.

It’s really sad. We’ve completely abandoned form for only function. America should be art deco.
Posted by RaoulDuke504
Member since Aug 2023
3148 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:15 am to
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The government should tell private businesses how to aesthetically design their apartment buildings?


Yes, plenty of places do it. It’s called building codes.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83602 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:16 am to
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This is a lie it’s just laziness from developers. They want quick, fast, and cheap to maximize profits.


It's not a lie. Getting developers to build beautiful, dense, facades that will last for a century or more isn't realistic. Now you can say that's motivated by greed, but the reality is that nobody is building that stuff in these areas that aren't already dense, there is way too much risk.

I do think putting pressure on developers renovating/tearing down dense urban stuff to rebuild in a classic/ageworthy/historically consistent style is doable.

But this is a dude in SF talking about building stuff on formerly blank or industrial areas in Atlanta.
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:16 am to
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Poor Monday Night catching strays over this. And their brewery is fine, it's tucked into the natural landscape whether you like that industrial stuff or not.

That’s exactly how shite should be developed for a business like that — cheaply. That way it can be leveled and rebuilt cheaply when it is ready for its next phase.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
75058 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:17 am to
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The government should tell private businesses how to aesthetically design their apartment buildings?
Yes.

Happens in many places, keeping them both aesthetically pleasing and keeping the cities from falling apart.

A great example is Madison, MS.

When you don’t get appropriately enforced building codes, you result in a shitload of LA towns that have drainage and flooding issues, blighted areas, dilapidated buildings, etc.
This post was edited on 5/21/25 at 9:22 am
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
27705 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:17 am to
Sounds like government overreach to me. If people stop buying cheaply built housing, builders will have to adjust.
This post was edited on 5/21/25 at 9:18 am
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
75058 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:18 am to
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That way it can be leveled and rebuilt cheaply when it is ready for its next phase.
The problem is that it doesn’t get leveled and rebuilt.

It simply moves to a new location, resulting in blight and a collapse of the surrounding property values.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
30489 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:19 am to
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The government should tell private businesses how to aesthetically design their apartment buildings?


You’d think an attorney would have heard of municipal codes. Remind me to never hire you
Posted by bulletprooftiger
Member since Aug 2006
2255 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:19 am to
That shitty pool is only 2.5 feet deep.
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
10720 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:21 am to
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It's not a lie. Getting developers to build beautiful, dense, facades that will last for a century or more isn't realistic. Now you can say that's motivated by greed, but the reality is that nobody is building that stuff in these areas that aren't already dense, there is way too much risk.

Agree. Consumers are not paying massive premiums for brick and decorative facades, ornate detail. Everyone looks at historic architecture with desire, failing to comprehend the labor of constructing that today compared with what it was 100+ years ago. We don’t even have enough qualified labor to build out cities like that. Would cost many multiples of today’s expenses. As a man who resides in a self restored historic landmark, they don’t build them like they used to because it isn’t realistic.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
5282 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:22 am to
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But this is a dude in SF talking about building stuff on formerly blank or industrial areas in Atlanta.



You have to get into the YIMBY/Abundance mindset to understand the desire here.

They think living in mildly to moderately dangerous areas is cool and makes them interesting. Those movements appeal young adults who grew up in middle class suburbs or more affluent areas.

Walking past a homeless guy and a couple of piles of crap with an unknown species of origin on the way to the microbrewery for trivia night is just the best to them.

They sell it like we could be like some of the cool, walkable cities in Europe. The reality is that most places would be more like the places in NYC or Boston that you wouldn't want to be in at night.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83602 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:25 am to
And to be clear, I wish it was. I think cities (especially well functioning ones - Atlanta is not this) should safeguard their history and aesthetic appeal and should make developers who want to avail themselves of their community jump through their hoops to do so.

That's way more viable in historic districts or smaller cities than really big, new growth cities where there has been a recent clamoring for housing. Fact or fiction, for 15 years city councils in places like Dallas and Atlanta and Phoenix have said we need middle class housing to attract young professionals to feed these corporations we're hosting. And, chicken or egg aside, those young professionals appear to like having dumb looking pseudo-industrial apartment buildings and sodasopa developments around the corner.

This tweet is someone with good/refined taste telling society to appease him and ignoring that 70% of Americans don't care or have outright bad taste.
Posted by kjp811
Denver, CO
Member since Apr 2017
967 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:26 am to
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This is a lie it’s just laziness from developers. They want quick, fast, and cheap to maximize profits.


Now GC's are starting to becoming the developers so it's getting worse. That said, from a manufacturing point of view, it is nice.
Posted by piratedude
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2009
2695 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:27 am to
Both of those are fine by me. much more interesting than strip shopping centers
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
38873 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:27 am to
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Happens in many places, keeping them both aesthetically pleasing and keeping the cities from falling apart.

A great example is Madison, MS.


that is more about keeping Jackson out, than aesthetics

Houston, Austin, and Atlanta don't have the luxury of curtailing growth for the sake of aesthetics

If those cities don't build, it will just drive up rent prices and you'll end up like LA or SF. Part of the appeal of Atlanta and Houston is that they are places you can make money and live with a relatively lower COL for a MLB/NBA/NFL city

New Orleans is another good example of not building enough, it has space issues like SF but also similar aesthetic reasons. My rent in Houston was a few hundred dollars cheaper and my income doubled from the offer i got in NO. It is how you end up with basically no middle class
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