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Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:01 am to MoarKilometers
quote:Why are people acting like the cop just wandered onto his property for no reason?
If so, stay the frick off my lawn cop
Did I miss something?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:02 am to LNCHBOX
I don't know about "nothing wrong", but in these types of scenarios, I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt the property owner
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:02 am to TopFlightSecurity
quote:So you don't feel bad for this cop because of something some other cop did?
I'd feel bad except the cop in Dallas killed a guy in his own house and the boys in blue slow walked it and tried to justify it.
You sound very rational.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:03 am to Salmon
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I don't know about "nothing wrong", but in these types of scenarios, I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt the property owner
We don't even know where the actual shooting happened yet. All I'm getting at is let's get the facts.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:05 am to LNCHBOX
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We don't even know where the actual shooting happened yet. All I'm getting at is let's get the facts.
I know.
I'm not sure how much the cop being outside matters to me though.
Obviously it would give the owner less justification, but I would still probably give side with the property owner here, unless they can somehow prove malicious intent.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:07 am to LNCHBOX
You're such a fricking pain in the arse.
Show of hands.
How many people read the above quotes and had the takeaway that the person who wrote them is happy with BLM violence?
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We've given law enforcement God status in much of our society. Although I don't agree with anything BLM or anything similar, in a way I'm kind of glad it's happening because we need some of that push back against the 'government is good' or 'government is my daddy/protector mentality'.
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Our Founders were extremely distrustful of government and rightly so. We've lost our way
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The attitude that I'm pleased with the citizenry being skeptical of law enforcement and trying to hold them accountable?
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the fact that I wasn't referring to the violence that they have allegedly incited.
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You can be displeased with a certain group of people and still agree with them on some points or enjoy the results of some of their actions.
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I'm not talking about violence.
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I'm talking more about general sentiment and zeitgeist.
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I've explicitly stated that the 'it' is not violence.
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I'm not a huge fan of BLM and their antics
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The, "it's happening", is referring to groups of people cropping up everywhere that have the kind of mistrust of government that Americans had in the early days of its founding. Survivalists, anti-tax protesters, BLM, NRA, tea party, Libertarians, Etc.
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I was referring to their distaste of law enforcement not any of their other ideology or actions
Show of hands.
How many people read the above quotes and had the takeaway that the person who wrote them is happy with BLM violence?
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 9:09 am
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:09 am to Salmon
If you are gonna shoot someone with a flashlight inspecting an alarm going off, why would you hire an alarm company?
Were the police not doing exactly what the homeowner paid the alarm company for?
I might agree with some of this stupidity in this thread against police if it said they entered a random house, but the article makes it appear he had an alarm system (million dollar home so makes sense) that was set off. So how again are the police at fault for doing their exact job here?
Were the police not doing exactly what the homeowner paid the alarm company for?
I might agree with some of this stupidity in this thread against police if it said they entered a random house, but the article makes it appear he had an alarm system (million dollar home so makes sense) that was set off. So how again are the police at fault for doing their exact job here?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:09 am to nola000
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You're such a fricking pain in the arse.
Well, choose better words next time. Or don't.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:10 am to Salmon
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When the officers arrived, they walked around the home and reportedly found nothing out of the ordinary until they noticed that the front door was open. Heidelberg notified dispatch about the door.
Two other police officers arrived at the address at the time that Officer Heidelberg announced his presence to anyone who may have been inside of the home.
LINK
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:11 am to baldona
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So how again are the police at fault for doing their exact job here?
I didn't say the police were at fault
I think its more of a "no fault" situation that is incredibly sad.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:12 am to Pesticide
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If there is body came footage, and this officer gave more than one announcement, then sorry homeowner you need to be charged
What gives an officer the right to enter a persons home just because of a "potential" robbery?
And thatbfricking flashlight shite is a joke. If your worried about saftey, flip a light switch. NO ONE can see the person behind a bright light in the dark. There is no reason to believe its a cop just because hes saying that.
You have to see both sides. This man's side is simple. He was home and protecting his home.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:13 am to theunknownknight
From what I understand, they responded to an alarm, checked the perimeter, noticed the door was unlocked, announced their presence several times, and entered the home. The homeowner shot in the direction of the flashlight being shined at him. The shot landed above his vest and he died shortly after. What surprises me, is that the police did not return fire, and we have a pretty trigger happy force around here.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:13 am to GetCocky11
So the question of course becomes who opened the door?
Also, did the monitoring company not call before dispatching police? My alarms over the years have gone off several times, and every time I've been called before anyone was sent. My wife was even called once as the back up contact on her mom's house.
Also, did the monitoring company not call before dispatching police? My alarms over the years have gone off several times, and every time I've been called before anyone was sent. My wife was even called once as the back up contact on her mom's house.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:15 am to LNCHBOX
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So the question of course becomes who opened the door?
Also, did the monitoring company not call before dispatching police? My alarms over the years have gone off several times, and every time I've been called before anyone was sent. My wife was even called once as the back up contact on her mom's house.
Yeah, I have a ton of questions.
Alarms are loud as shite. The alarm company always calls. Were the police dispatched to the wrong house? Who opened the front door? All very weird.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:16 am to LNCHBOX
is it possible that a burglar did attempt to enter the home?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:16 am to GetCocky11
quote:If the front door was open and the alarm was going off, I can't really see a scenario where they were at the wrong house.
Were the police dispatched to the wrong house?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:17 am to Salmon
quote:Absolutely. But if that's the case and the homeowner confirmed with the alarm company that there was an issue at his house, would he not then be expecting police to come?
is it possible that a burglar did attempt to enter the home?
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 9:19 am
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:18 am to LNCHBOX
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alarm was going off
Are silent home alarms a thing?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 9:18 am to LNCHBOX
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But if that's the case and the homeowner confirmed that there was an issue at his house, would he not then be expecting police to come?
maybe
but could also explain why he was trigger happy/scared
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