re: Michigan State Shooting: Shooter dead, At Least 3 victims dead, 5 wounded

Don't go bringing actual facts in here. MSM is already pushing this one aside. Our local liberal media had a whopping 10 sec segment of this mass shooting from last night. Lol

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Wr used to just keep people like this in mental hospitals.

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Mainstreaming happened. A desire to put them back into society for psychological reasons.

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We used to just keep people like this in mental hospitals. Not sure why we got away from that

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In order to embrace the clown world Progressives have turned us into, people like this are seen as "normal".

Remember, if you don't think a man can get pregnant, you are a nazi.

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All his Facebook pics of demons, exorcism, etc.

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Good. Now the MSM can associate him with White Christians, then promptly sweep this under the rug.

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Good. Now the MSM can associate him with White Christians, then promptly sweep this under the rug.

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White Christian Nationalism.

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You have to address the obvious elephant in the room when talking about this topic....

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Race is definitely an issue, or at least factors that are highly correlated with race in America, but even then, white, non-Hispanics have a higher homicide rate than many other western countries, despite higher SES and lower density (more murders when living closer to one another).

That said, I think a lot of the problems are more directly impacted by the War on Drugs, and guns are a contributing factor to those. I think we would probably have a lower homicide rate, across demographics, by changing our criminal justice system, which is most evident by our much higher rates of employment for incarceration than employment of police themselves.

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Also, legal gun ownership is not a big thing among this group, so you're basically advocating for taking away law abiding citizens' ability to defend themselves.

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This is why even though it never really made it into the policy discussion, that father who murdered his family, because he was a prime example of a “law-abiding citizen” who snapped, and having a gun made it a lot easier to murder 7 people and commit suicide himself.

Regardless, I also said I don’t know if there is a solution, and I have seen few if any that really address this. That said, a number of our most recent masa shooting (Buffalo; Uvalde; UVA football team) purchased their guns legally, and in the UVA case, he had previously failed a background check.

My parents gave their CCW permits (my little mom is a sharpshooter), as does most of my family. And my uncles are avid hunters with huge guns safes, who go on trips to Alaska and the western United States for hunting. I myself have been thinking about getting my CCW.

So I’m not anti-gun whatsoever, but I still cannot deny that our unusually large rates of gun ownership plays a role which gives easier access to those who shouldn’t own them, whether through legal means or otherwise.

How do we address that? I don’t know. Maybe we can’t, and we shouldn’t just throw out any dumb policy that we think might work. In fact, maybe it’s just a cultural issue, as having guns is too often some flippant status symbol, by both those in the black communities and the super pro-2A right-wing community (many, including multiple congressional reps, take Christmas photos with their children posing with AR-15s and other guns). It’s weird to me because those I am close with who own guns, take it much more seriously, and not as a social media status symbol.

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How do we address that? I don’t know.

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Getting rid of the entitlement programs that force the average taxpayer to fund the ghetto lifestyle from cradle to grave would be a great start.

You just like to watch yourself type, huh?

You type a lot of horse shite

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Please explain how that would make any difference.

Jamal Thugstyle isn't giving up any of his.

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I mean there is a clear relationship between wealth and human development with crime, and despite being one of the wealthiest and most developed countries in world history, we have homicide rates like 5x other highly developed countries, who are often in fact less wealthy than our poorest states.

But obviously gun ownerships rates aren’t the only factor, but the reality is that even when you account for all significant socio-political, socio-economics demographic, etc. variables, that account for variation in homicide rates, and then add gun ownership rate variable to a model, it is still has a significant and strong relationship with homicide rates.

Now granted, gun ownership rate is a broader and crude metric, and probably is just easier to measure and easier to compare, so I don’t think taking away the guns from my uncles and their hunting buddies, each with dozens of hunting rifles stored in their uber expensive gun safes, is going to have much impact.

That said, those rates probably do a decent job measuring factors that do matter, like the types of guns and/or policies that make them accessible, etc., that do matter. In fact, they might even show a much stronger relationship, but are just harder to measure and compare.

So regardless, I’m not saying just get rid of all the guns, but I think it’s pretty undeniable that lots of guns, and particularly certain types of guns, and accessibility to them, are major factors in rates of homicide, and our policies cause for higher rates in those important factors, and subsequently higher homicide rates.

So if people don’t want to consider what those factors are and what we can do about them, then that’s fine, but I think those people should probably not pretend they are serious about addressing the crimes that those factors contribute to. And if they do care, then they shouldn’t automatically dismiss any attempt to try to identify those factors and ways to address them.

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Or maybe just wear some item of clothing that makes it obvious they are cops...

"Nah. Lets spend millions on shite that will likely never be used in our town."

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the point being knowing where LEOs are when not in line of sight... of command and control, or dispatch, or each other.

It would help dispatch in dispersing LEO where needed the most upon entering the area as well as weeding through the calls about the per when those calls are about LEO not in uniform.

If you want all hands on deck quickly the idea of uniforms and distinctive markings just isn't going to happen.

This isn't about safety, this is about neutralizing a target as quickly and efficiently as possible to reduce casualties, if possible.