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Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:47 pm to buckeye_vol
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and the super pro-2A right-wing community (many, including multiple congressional reps, take Christmas photos with their children posing with AR-15s and other guns).
Those people arent killing people
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:48 pm to tigerskin
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We used to just keep people like this in mental hospitals. Not sure why we got away from that
The problem is that mental health hospitals are expensive. Insurance companies and the government-medicaid don't want to pay for it.
We would be better off with the mental hospitals of the old days like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest but no one wants to pay for it.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:07 pm to Cosmo
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Those people arent killing people
Don't bring that up. They hate that shite.
To them, 95% of shootings are white supremacists with AR 15s. Not inner city black men with pistols.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:09 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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The problem is that mental health hospitals are expensive. Insurance companies and the government-medicaid don't want to pay for it.
They are expensive af but medicaid/medicare have no issues paying for nonsense at inpatient facilities. Probably 50% of our psych patients are homeless or just want a place to crash and chill and medicaid/care has no issues paying for 10 days of inpatient "treatment" while BCBS pays up to 50% for a lot of people which is a joke.
The problem is that psych care is abused and the people that really need the help either:
A) never get OPCd/PECd/CECd since someone has to do this on their behalf unless they're out in public acting a fool,
or
B) they get treatment in an enclosed environment for 2 weeks, facilities check their boxes saying they're treated while making $2k a day from insurance, and then they're discharged to fend on their own again with no medication/treatment compliance
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:31 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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The problem is that mental health hospitals are expensive. Insurance companies and the government-medicaid don't want to pay for it.
Nope. The problem is the prison industrial complex.
We closed the asylums and let everyone out in the 60/70s under the guise of changing the asylums to clinics where people could get help and therapy they need but also integrate into society instead of being confined into poorly run institutions.
The problem is we never followed up. We just let everyone out but we never put the treatment in place.
The biggest mental health provider in America is currently our prison system. They are a hell of a lobbying group and they fight treatment and rehabilitation tooth and nail and push increased funding and sentencing especially for minor crimes we should use as an opportunity to rehabilitate troubled people instead of indoctrinating them into a life cycle of poverty and crime.
Couple that with lax drug laws and homeless pity and almost no treatment and rehab options as part of our justice system and you get insane desperate people acting out all over.
It’s going to get worse before it gets better.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You don't need an assault rifle to hunt deer!"
Did you know a 223 round can split a deer in half? Who would anyone use that for hunting?
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:52 pm to Centinel
quote:Well I had to do a bit of an extrapolation using the FBI Uniformed Crime Data from 2019 (pre-pandemic before there was an uptick in crime) because even though 3,299 homicides were committed by whites, about 2,280 (69.1%) was the ethnicity known with 67.6% committed by white, not Hispanic or Latino (1,542) with the rest committed by whites, Hispanic or Latino. So I just used that 67.6% and applied it to all 3,299, because there isn't another number I could use that could account for the remaining ~31% where the ethnicity was not known. But I'm pretty confident that those figures are pretty close.
I'm sure you have a source for this statement?
Anyways, that gives us about 2,231 homicides committed by whites, not hispanic or latino. And based on the 2019 census estimates, there were 203,768,170 people who were white, not Hispanic or latino.
So since most homicide rates are presented per 100,000, that gives us 1.1 (1.0949 to be exact) per 100,000 white, not Hispanic or Latino. And comparing to other countries, there are 52 out of 195 (~26.7%) with homicide rates tied or lower than that.
Notable western countries (and rates) which provide a similar comparison, plus I'm more confident about their data include UK (1.1); Denmark, Croatia, and Bulgaria (1.0); Portugal and Australia (0.9); Taiwan, Hungary, Greece, and Germany (0.8); Poland, Ireland, Czech Republic, and Austria (0.7); Spain, South Korea, Norway, and Netherlands (0.6); Switzerland, Slovenia, and Italy (0.5); Japan and Hong Kong (0.3); and Singapore and Luxemburg (0.2).
And here are all of the sources I used:
FBI Crime Data for 2019
US Census for 2019
Homicide Rates by Country
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:04 pm to Cosmo
quote:I didn't say they were, but I think the overall culture of flippantly treating guns like toys, and a status symbol, to show off on social media cannot help the problem, and likely makes it worse. They're dangerous weapons that kill people, and honestly this is the complete opposite of how people who take gun ownership and safety around them seriously.
Those people arent killing people
It's a problem with the "gangster" culture too, and maybe that's worse, but if that's a problem, then it's not suddenly not a problem when others do it too. And we're not talking about some random person posing with a gun: we're talking about multiple congressional representatives taking a family photo with their children holding them for family Christmas photos. It's not only weird, but it clearly shows a flippant disregard for the seriousness of what they are.
Does this honestly look normal to you? What would you think if we swapped the race or ethnicity of them?
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:07 pm to upgrayedd
quote:Except Cosmo conveniently left off half of my statement:
Don't bring that up. They hate that shite.
To them, 95% of shootings are white supremacists with AR 15s. Not inner city black men with pistols.
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In fact, maybe it’s just a cultural issue, as having guns is too often some flippant status symbol, by both those in the black communities and the super pro-2A right-wing community (many, including multiple congressional reps, take Christmas photos with their children posing with AR-15s and other guns)
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:09 pm to buckeye_vol
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Does this honestly look normal to you?
Horseshoe theory in action.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:12 pm to buckeye_vol
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Does this honestly look normal to you?
I think it's cringeworthy as hell.
But then I'm on record as saying Boebert isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
Fortunately she generally votes the correct way.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:16 pm to buckeye_vol
I dont think he left anything off. The way you presented is as if theyre equal in regards to how often theyre committing said crimes
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:19 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:Thomas Massie did this as well, and he's not near as dumb as her.
I think it's cringeworthy as hell.
But then I'm on record as saying Boebert isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
Fortunately she generally votes the correct way.
Regardless, one thing that opened my eyes to some of the culture stuff was when I was in England back in 2019 and my brother-in-law and I were talking to these dudes at our hotel bar.
And what stood out is that they were envious of having the 2A rights, as they wished it was easier to have a gun for self-defense at what not, but they also thought some of the extreme pro-gun culture was insane. In fact, they were surprised to learn not everyone had a gun (despite them visiting the states multiple times) after I reported that I didn't own one (my brother-in-law has a biometric safe by his bed access his guns).
And I think that was pretty reasonable position on their part, and what a lot of people see. Yeah the second amendment is important, and it has a lot of worthwhile goals/benefits. BUT some of the extreme culture around it is strange, if not unhealthy. I think that's a problem, as I noted above.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:20 pm to buckeye_vol
That's definitely douchey and cringey. If it were some photo-op at the gun range in April with the family, great. I'd upvote it. In front of a Christmas tree as a Christmas card photo-op, it's cringe.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:24 pm to buckeye_vol
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And what stood out is that they were envious of having the 2A rights, as they wished it was easier to have a gun for self-defense at what not, but they also thought some of the extreme pro-gun culture was insane. In fact, they were surprised to learn not everyone had a gun (despite them visiting the states multiple times) after I reported that I didn't own one (my brother-in-law has a biometric safe by his bed access his guns).
And I think that was pretty reasonable position on their part, and what a lot of people see. Yeah the second amendment is important, and it has a lot of worthwhile goals/benefits. BUT some of the extreme culture around it is strange, if not unhealthy. I think that's a problem, as I noted above.
This is all reasonable, but the extent to which some forces go to ban guns, you can only expect the opposing side to go to the other extreme.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:25 pm to buckeye_vol
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it clearly shows a flippant disregard for the seriousness of what they are
Those kids probably know more about gun safety than some of you ever will.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:26 pm to Deactived
quote:Considering the first half of my post addressed the racial components, I'm not sure how one could think that, especially since I was referencing the flippant cultural, status symbol that is part of a broader problem, but I didn't try to quantify (because I don't know how), let alone equate, them. Just that they're both representative of the same problem.
I dont think he left anything off. The way you presented is as if theyre equal in regards to how often theyre committing said crimes
Regardless, Cosmo didn't say "it's less of a problem with this group than that group," he just said it's not (or not specifically killing anyone, which I didn't say they were) with one group, and completely ignored the other group.
I was one that then responded that said it might be a bigger problem with the "gangster" culture, but that they're both problems. I'm not sure if that's true, because it might just be that they add a similar relative amount to the problem; it's just that the groups were already different with homicide rates much higher in the black community. I don't know either way.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:29 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Many kids? Sure. But probably not those kids given that photo, plus their mom is a goofball, and their dad, well he likes to expose himself to underage girls in public. Not really talking about the cream of the intelligence crop here.
Those kids probably know more about gun safety than some of you ever will.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:30 pm to Deactived
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I dont think he left anything off. The way you presented is as if theyre equal in regards to how often theyre committing said crimes
Practically speaking, crimes committed by black people are generally permissible in the social and political realm. Even gun crime advocates go completely silent when someone goes into the nitty gritty of gun crime demographics. And once they admit the reality of thise demographics, the first thing they do is obfuscate with dumb shite like middle to upper class kids posing for pictures with rifles or blaming "systemically racist" entities for black people being forced to shoot one another.
So we'll go on and on and on and completely ignore the fricking problem until we've burned the while place to the ground.
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